Monday, May 14, 2007

Report Excerpt: The Administration of President Evo Morales

Readers:

I am still traveling, en route Monday from the US to Europe. Here is another excerpt from The Democracy Center’s new report, “Interpreting Bolivia’s Political Transformation.” This one looks at the debate over the administration of President Evo Morales.

Jim Shultz


The Administration of President Evo Morales

Bolivia on the Brink, for good reason, devotes significant attention to the character, policies, and actions of the government of President Evo Morales. Bolivia on the Brink is substantially critical of the Morales government, and to be clear, there is ample reason for much of that criticism. However, it is also important that this criticism be based on facts and not unsubstantiated generalizations and accusations.

Unfortunately, it is with unsubstantiated generalizations that Bolivia on the Brink opens its criticism of the Morales government. The author writes on the first page, “Most people who follow Bolivian politics agree that the MAS’ aggressive policies … have polarized Bolivians more than ever before.” Nowhere, however, does the paper tell us who those “most people” are, why their views are representative, or how they were measured. We are also left to wonder why those observers believe that Bolivia is more polarized now than it was under previous governments that had to declare national suspensions of constitutional rights in order to quell protest.

More seriously, the author openly accuses the Bolivian President of murder, again without evidence or substantiation. Referring to an “unsolved incident” involving the kidnapping and murder of four police officers in 2000, the author declares that the killings took place, “presumably under [Morales’] orders,” despite the fact that Morales has never been formally charged or convicted of such a crime.

The report does, however, raise a set of issues about the Morales government that are worth closer examination.

Questions of Competence

Bolivia on the Brink challenges the Morales administration on its basic competence to govern. Citing recent violence between two rival groups of miners, the paper charges that the government “responded clumsily” to the violence. It describes the administration’s announcement of its trade policy as an “unrehearsed response.” It says that Morales has ignored any “level-headed attempts” to listen to opposition groups. It also notes, with good reason, the problems that the administration has had implementing its ambitious gas nationalization program.

On the one hand, we agree that the Morales administration has demonstrated real difficulty in assembling the expertise and resources it needs to govern competently. One clear example is in the administration’s ongoing and serious problems implementing its gas plans, including contract errors and ongoing turnover of high-level administration officials. While these problems need to be taken seriously, they also need to be understood in the Bolivian context.

First, Morales and his MAS party have sought to build a government from among segments of the population that have long been excluded from the process of governance. Bolivia’s indigenous and impoverished majority has not had the same access to higher education (often abroad) or governing opportunities that members of the nation’s wealthier elite have had. This has left the government with a significant and problematic deficit of experience.

Second, the performance of the Morales Administration should be measured by the competence of prior governments that enjoyed more standard credentials. The administration of the U.S.-educated Sánchez de Lozada, for example, was presumed by outsiders to be particularly competent. However, its privatization policies ceded control of a vital resource, oil and gas, into the hands of foreign interests and left oil and gas revenue essentially flat. On the other hand, the reforms enacted under pressure from social movements, under Morales and prior administrations, have led to a revenue increase of almost $1 billion per year.

The issue of competence deserves a more careful and balanced analysis than Bolivia on the Brink provides.

Questions of Rhetoric

Over and over again Bolivia on the Brink criticizes Morales for his use of unhelpful rhetoric, particularly against the U.S. and the Bush Administration. These references include:

• “Morales’s [sic] incendiary anti-U.S. rhetoric… (p. 26)”
• “…antitrade rhetoric was a significant component of [Morales’] campaign platform (p. 26)”
• “The implications of Morales’s [sic] anti-U.S. rhetoric…(p. 27)”
• “…whatever the domestic political gains of incendiary anti-U.S. rhetoric…(p. 36)”
• “…toning down its anti-American rhetoric… (p. 36)”
• “…the anti-imperialist rhetoric of the Morales government. (p. 36)”

The report is correct in its observation that Morales has inflated Bolivian-U.S. tensions unnecessarily with combative and overblown rhetoric aimed at the U.S. However, President Morales has toned down his rhetoric more recently, and some of Bolivia on the Brink’s characterization of that rhetoric seems, itself, overblown. In one example, the paper calls Morales’ speech before the United Nations in September 2006 so “incendiary” that it undermined Bolivia’s efforts to win extension of U.S. trade preferences. In fact, Morales’ UN speech made substantial effort to strike a diplomatic tone.

He pledged to respect private property, rejected any policies of confiscation, endorsed the need for private investment in his country, and declared, “I don’t come here to tell you how to govern or to threaten a country…I only want you as international organizations…as nations with principals of reciprocity, of brotherhood, to participate in this process of democratic change.”
The paper’s claim of Morales’ “antitrade rhetoric” is similarly misleading. Morales has spoken clearly and often about his support for foreign trade, including in his UN speech, but with an emphasis on agreements that serve the economic interests of his country rather than those of other foreign trading powers.

It is also important to note that the rhetorical tension between the Bush Administration and Morales did not begin with the latter’s inauguration in January 2006. As Bolivia on the Brink notes, the U.S.’ own rhetorical attacks against Morales helped elevate his political status in Bolivia. When he was leader of Bolivia’s coca grower unions, U.S. officials labeled Morales and his union as “a mafia” and “narco-terrorists.” The week before Bolivia’s 2002 Presidential election, in which Morales was a leading candidate, President Bush’s Ambassador to Bolivia, Manuel Rocha, issued a warning to voters. “As a representative of the United States, I want to remind the Bolivian electorate that if you elect those who want Bolivia to become a major cocaine exporter again, this will endanger the future of U.S. assistance to Bolivia.”

In fact, after a cordial start to Morales-U.S. relations following his January 2006 inauguration, it was the Bush Administration that ignited the renewed rhetoric war, not Bolivia. In February of 2006, just weeks into Morales’ term, then-U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of Morales in a speech before the National Press Club in Washington. After likening Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to Adolph Hitler he turned to Morales. “We’ve seen some populist leadership appealing to masses of people in those countries. And elections like Evo Morales in Bolivia take place that clearly are worrisome.” Following Morales’ gas nationalization decree in May 2006, an act aimed at implementing a demand endorsed by more than 90% of Bolivian voters in a national referendum two years before, President Bush followed Rumsfeld’s lead, expressing concern about “the erosion of democracy” in Bolivia.

The exchange of rhetoric between Washington and La Paz since Morales assumed the presidency has clearly been a two-way street, a point essential to evaluating Bolivia-U.S. relations. As Bolivia on the Brink notes, “If the United States maintains a cooperative tone, then, ideally, the Bolivian government should reciprocate by assuming a less publicly hostile posture toward the United States.” We agree with the author that toning down rhetoric on both sides of the U.S.-Bolivia relationship will serve the diplomatic interests of both nations and their peoples.

40 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what if the US is protecting its interests. Good for them, and Bolivia shoud follow that example and look after its own interests. It clearly seems that Bolivians should not be picking a fight with the US, but rather with its own people. How come there's not have been a coup, an embargo, or sanctions since Evo's election? It is sad that Jim, Evo and Grindio spend so much time and resources trying to make the case of a vast WB/US/CIA conspiracy.

Dozens of bolivian conscripts have been killed by caza bobos. They were planted by cocaleros who were under Evo's leadership. You are such a hypocrit putting "Goni Asesino" when the same can be said about Evo. Add the number killed so far in his administration and he is giving Goni a run for his money.

So the US saying its worried justifies Evo making fun of Condolezza? I mean Evo looks like like a kindergardener every time he says "condolencia" and giggles. There are silly accusations about assasination attemps. Tourist-bombers. I mean, Jim...please? May be in your Democracy manual these things are not considered incendiary.

"emphasis on agreements that serve the economic interests of his country rather than those of other foreign trading powers" that is practicaly the dictionary definition of being anti-trade....actually to be intellectually honest, that is called mercantilism and leads to either inflation or scarcity.

Finally if do not see how the climate is polarized, then you have your head in the sand. Even the air in Cochabamba definately feels differently since the MAS and the MRV butchered those two kids.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't want to have to do this but it looks like I am going to have to take another trip to Hollywood, Charlie do you have my list?

2:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A commenter posted something saying that he finds it amazing that a Bolivian Scholar like Gamara be attacked on this blog.

Really how is that?

I don't find it the least bit surprising. This blog is totally un-ethical. If it's not Schultz bashing the catholic religion( Oh but wait when the going gets tuff, hark: the political man looks for a comercial http://www.lyricsdomain.com/3/cream/politician.html),

it's Grindio bashing a Bolivian Fullbright scholar.

Jim you are one slimey political work of un-fine art. Take some more pictures, sell them, go to machu-pichu, go to the salt flats, go to europe, you have tourist mentality. Your multi-cultural but we are anti-racist.

Oh by the way Mr. Shultz and El Grindio, did you know that FIU (Florida International University)
Is the Publisher of the Journal of Latin American Anthropology? Perhaps you would like to contact Dr. Jean Rahier, or Christi Navarro to inform them that a Politician/tourist/media/LA/hollywood specialist thinks their school along with Gamara and a Bolivian Fullbright Scholar should be discredited. Grindio, You are one Dumb SOB, and Jim, you are a sell out. Make some more noise, sell your media, though, but watch out for the illuminati and the secret Force of the Scwartz.

http://www.fiu.edu/~jlaa/contact.htm

2:39 AM  
Anonymous Columba said...

Guayaramerin Analitica

8:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evo is not a communist...communists are doing this

11:25 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

So if the CFR report loses credibility because purported lack of "historical context", wonder what the glaring ommissions, distorsions and plain lying of the DC do for not only their response, but the book coming out.

Evo led the coca growers union in Chapare. The coca from Chapare is almost exclusively used to make cocaine by ruthless international drug cartels. In effect, Evo represents people tied into the drug as much as a bank that launders money or a pilot who flies it. The coca growers, led by Evo, fought a de-facto guerrilla war against government erradication efforts - where both sides did some nasty things. In its efforts to stop erradication it is a matter of record that the growers did things like: kill snitches, attack and destroyed offices and facilities used for alternative crop development, booby trapped coca fields, killed soldiers and policemen - including the ones mentioned here. Some growers, including top officials linked closely to MAS/Evo, were even busted dealing coke (to Colombian guerillas no less). In effect they acted like gangsters protecting an illegal crop. Evo as leader of the coca growers unions always claimed that he was not responsible for what the "base" did, and said he could not control them, though they would back off rather mysteriously whenever Evo wanted them to.

--Bolivia at one point during Garcia-Meza's in the early 80's arguably became the very first narco-state in the world. Every government for the past 35 or so years has had drug dealer involvement. But Evo went further, his very movement sprung directly from people tied very closely with the drug trade. Before his very effective linkage with the anti-globaloney stuff, Evo and his movement were actively involved in trying to destabilize Bolivian governments that dared to try to eliminate the illegal coca crop to try to affect the drug trade. It is undisputed that the interests of drug cartels and the coca growers coincided in wanting to eliminate this threat to their livelihood for the growers and to the supply of their crucial ingredient for the dealers. It is hardly suprsising that this worried the hell out of many Bolivians and the US.

10:55 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

It is that direct involvement of Evo's in some rather unsavory activities that the DC downplays or ignores in most of its writings. That is a crucial context in understanding US mistrust of Evo. Morales main consituency and his base has always been the coca growers. And if you go by the time-lines of protests in Bolivia, you will see that the Cocalero involvement in the loose coalition that overthrew two constitutional governments, became fiercer as erradication efforts intensified. Even before the police or the gas riots Evo was threatening to overthrow the government, and his people were saying it was illegitimate.

11:13 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Does anyone else here think that hair is fake?

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Boli-Nica,

I’ve read many of your posts in recent weeks & if you’ll allow me to be sincere, though I do think you do sometimes raise some interesting points & make valid claims - & are in any case an interesting person to read if only because you do have a knowledge / memory of Bolivia that goes back more than the last Evo-influenced decade say & which when you don’t try to twist into an unrecognisable distortion of reality can sometimes actually even be instructive – I often don’t agree with you & actually more than on a few occasions would – again, if we want to be sincere… – even question the helpfulness of your contributions.

Why Boli-Nica? It’s not actually so much because your point of view is quite different to mine. Believe it or not, I find it interesting to read & listen to others’ point of views. No-one has the whole truth in their hand, & differing opinions I reckon are often as much the result of our different backgrounds, where we live, what we’ve lived through etc etc, so no problem with any of that.

It’s not because I think you sometimes appear to advocate somewhat closed-minded views that make me wonder how much a presumably international person like yourself – of mixed blood & living in yet another nation – has actually learned about the wacky world we live in. Just to quote an example, your apparent belief (I use the word “apparent” to credit you with the doubts I have, I’m not sure you are, & any rate hope you are not, as blinkered as you appear to be) that there’s only one system of doing things in the world, & that even China/India/Asia et al fit neatly into this. You’ve tried to pull this one at least a couple of times in recent weeks, I didn’t take you up on this then & won’t really even now, let’s just say that I don’t agree & who knows we may have an opportunity to debate this in future.

No, Boli-Nica what gets me most about you is the way you try to counter-weight the slant of the DC on their own blog. Nothing wrong with people adding their own angle, filling in the holes, exposing the undue slant etc etc. Actually, it may sound funny but I too think there is a slant to the DC (which I often don’t agree with myself) & many comments posted actually enrich & balance the various debates.

But what gets me a bit BN is that sometimes it appears that you have to fight fire with fire. Or to be more precise, that to counter say the alkaline of the DC’s slants you feel a need to counter with acid of at least the same “inverted” pH value. Ok, part of this you can put down to our points of view, being acid you may view the DC or Evo’s or whoever’s view on “the other side” as say a 14 when perhaps I might see it as a 9. Not much we can do about this probably, particularly if each of us is hell-bent on maintaining his own pH value…lest any dilution might be interpreted as meaning our testicles have dropped off, if you’ll allow me an inelegant metaphor…

An example to help illustrate things… your post above on Evo being just a leader of a bunch of drug trafikkers basically, that the only support he has are from these fiends & the only interests he represents are those of the powder-snuff demons, that in some mysterious way the only people that have managed to work this out are some equally mysteriously intelligent US code-breakers, & if only the rest of us dummies would catch on to this, we’d finally understand that the world is black & white & who’s on each side. Wow, wouldn’t the world be nice like that, & oh-so much easier to understand!

The thing is BN that it ain’t quite like that. Yes, there’s a nugget (a small one) of truth in what you say above, but it ain’t really at all like you say it is. Believe it or not, I’m not a blind supporter of Evo, where I live it’s difficult to get a true picture of what’s going on in Bolivia, & one of the reasons I follow this blog is to get a better picture, from those inside Bolivia too. You see, the reason I give Evo & Co. a bit more leeway than you is simply because they were voted in, by a huge number of people, very rarely seen before in Bolivia. People that will include for sure the occasional headcase & the less occasional red or other coloured flag-waver, but also I reckon not a few people who figured “well we gotta take the plunge at some point, guess now is as good a time as ever”. Nowt more than that BN.

The Evo-phenomenon you see is not about making a new narco-state in that beloved country. And the unrest & uprisings that took place there since he & his buddies came onto the scene were not a step in this mission. They were, instead, simply symptoms of a lot of people (including many dark & poor & rural & dirty & smelly & with very little in common as far as background goes to me & you most probably…but “people” all the same if you’ll allow me to extend the terminology to this sub-segment (?) of humanity), wanting (needing?) to have a bigger say in things. Something that has happened many times in history already BN, & will happen many more times again, coz you see life has a funny way of pushing us towards a point of balance… if we don’t want to blow the whole baby up ofcourse…

And not blowing up the Bolivian baby is what, I hope, a lot of us are really after now BN. On the surface, inside, or deep down in some cases.

I’ll leave you with your own reflections if this has helped stimulate anything, let me just say that, as I’m sure you know yourself (even though you often appear to forget it) if you want to bring back to neutral a litre of bleach yes you can counter with a litre of say gastric acid…

but you can also achieve the very same effect with a few litres of good ole homemade own-pressed apple juice…

And it don’t do anyone any harm that… & my oh my, some people might find it easier to drink…

A buen entendedor, pocas palabras…
Jack

10:34 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Lets look at other issues raised by the DC, "unsubstantiated generalizations"

1. Agree that there is no documentation on CFR article asserting that "most people who follow Bolivian politics agree that the MAS’ aggressive policies … have polarized Bolivians more than ever before.”

Given that Gamarra regularly has interviewed major political, social and economic actors in Bolivia, as well as done surveys and focus groups, they should show where this comes from.

But, that being said, that is an assertion I have heard from people - with long experience in Bolivian political life. Reviewing major Bolivian media it also would show that.

Simply put, the traditional party vs. party dynamic of Bolivian political life, has given way to a large divide along ethnic and regional lines that was always present, but is now sharpened. MAS and the opposition, use this divide as a "wedge" in their rhetoric, playing to ethnic tensions.

2. DC admits that MAS "government with a significant and problematic deficit of experience." Blames it mostly on the lack of education of the underprivileged. Truth is it is about ideology. There are plenty of middle/upper class mestizo ideologues in MAS who have been appointed to positions they have no skills for, unless you count furious anti-imperialist rhetoric as qualifications for technical positions. If MAS had an economic policy that did not rely on outdated and obsolete ideas. it might have actually recruited professional Bolivians with competence and experience.

3. Comparing Evo to previous governments. Sanchez De Lozada was bad because its "privatization policies ceded control of a vital resource, oil and gas,"

LETS LOOK AT FACTS, if competence of the Morales govt, "should be measured by the competence of prior governments that enjoyed more standard credentials." then GSL comes way ahead of Evo. He instituted a decentralization law that placed decisionmaking on BUDGETS in the hands of local communities, including indigenous communities. He created and funded a pension system for retired Bolivians and for pre-natal care, which Evo has de-funded by taking its assets. GSL also got rid of boondogles like the telephone service - bringing in a private carrier who revolutionized telecommunications in Bolivia, to the point where many poor people who did not have a land line 20 years ago, now have cell phones.

And Paz Zamora (with Banzers party) and Goni helped bring in billions of dollars of investment in the gas and oil industry. THERE WAS NO GASODUCT TO BRAZIL & PROVEN RESERVES WERE 1/10 OF TODAYS
DC blames Gone for leaving "oil and gas revenue essentially flat." TOTALLY STUPID STATEMENT. They were flat because gas was at 1/5 of what it is today in that time, major gas fields did not go online - or at full capacity - till fairly recently, and Brazil was in crisis. THERE IS NO GAS TO GET EXTRA REVENUE IF THERE IS NO GAS TO EXPORT AND NO WAY TO EXPORT IT. While Bolivia is getting "$1 billion per year." more due to Evo negotiating w/Brazil and Argentina to his credit, it goes without saying that Bolivia lost out on hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue from the Chile gas meltdown.

11:46 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...


It’s not because I think you sometimes appear to advocate somewhat closed-minded views that make me wonder how much a presumably international person like yourself – of mixed blood & living in yet another nation – has actually learned about the wacky world we live in.


Dude, besides watching right wing stupidity in most of Central America, I also happened to live in Sandinista Nicaragua where the full incompetence and sheer stupidity of marxist/collectivist/socialist thought was on display.


Yes, there’s a nugget (a small one) of truth in what you say above, but it ain’t really at all like you say it is

You don't know Jack (pun fully intended), if you think what I posted about Evo and the cocaleros has only a "grain" of truth. Everything is a matter of record, and no one can deny the obvious fact that many - if not most - of the membership of the cocalero unions of Chapare harvests coca which historically was and still is intended for production of cocaine paste and ultimately cocaine. There is no easy explanation of how this situation came to be; it is a complicated and multi-layered tragedy involving Bolivian economic, social and political life, drug consumption, and the US drug war policies. What I posted was but a strand in the fabric of this whole situation.But it can not be ignored, and is an integral part of the context of Bolivia's present situation that was missing from the DC's criticisms.


You’ve tried to pull this one at least a couple of times in recent weeks, I didn’t take you up on this then & won’t really even now, let’s just say that I don’t agree & who knows we may have an opportunity to debate this in future.


You are a seriously deluded if you are suggesting there is some viable alternative to a market-based economy in the world.

I have close family -and family friends- with decades in experience in development not only in Latin America, but in the entire developing world. They generally started out where Shultz and company are, but right now agree with the contention I put above.


And I am not a market fundamentalist in any way. I think corporations will rob you blind if they are allowed to, and that government can and should take responsibility for education, health care of everyone, and benefits for the indigent and the old. But you need to start with fundamentals when dealing with reactionaries like Evo and Chavez who challenge the very premise that free market economies allocate resources and goods more efficiently - and in the end in a fairer way - than government control could ever do.

12:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BN,

sorry I don’t have much time for you now, just a brief one then to say...

i think you missed the points I was making actually...

granted, some were perhaps subtler than others…

but for a bright guy like you, for so many of them to have been beyond your apparent grasp, well was kind of surprising…

(after all, I’d never even asked for any admission from your side, much less any retractions…)

Alguna palabrita mas me tendras que conceder entonces, a ver si luego nos entenderemos mejor.

Te saluda quien te lee,
Jack

6:20 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Boli-Nica -

One formatting suggestion - how about using italics instead of bold for quotes? The bold hurts my eyes, particularly if you're quoting EG.

9:16 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Frank ur right...



BN,

sorry I don’t have much time for you now, just a brief one then to say...

i think you missed the points I was making actually...

granted, some were perhaps subtler than others…

but for a bright guy like you, for so many of them to have been beyond your apparent grasp, well was kind of surprising…

(after all, I’d never even asked for any admission from your side, much less any retractions…)

Alguna palabrita mas me tendras que conceder entonces, a ver si luego nos entenderemos mejor.

Te saluda quien te lee,
Jack
6:20 PM


In a nutshell, what your long and somewhat patronizing rambling says is:

1. BN you are too extreme
2. BN you need to maybe turn it down a notch, then maybe Jack will take you seriously.
3. BN you are close-minded, despite the fact you lived abroad
4. Jack rocks, because Jack is open-minded enough to read what the other side says.
5. Jack rocks, because Jack knows what the truth is.
6 BN says things that really aren't what Evo is about, Jack knows the real ones.

---back to me

And that is Jack's style. Irrelevant,somewhat condescending long-winded diatribes, and when it comes time to actually state a relevant point to the discussion it is a conclusion unsuported by minimal (if any) fact.

Example, you somehow misrepresented what I said, to mean that Evo is "Just a leader of a bunch of drug trafikkers basically, that the only support he has are from these fiends & the only interests he represents are those of the powder-snuff demons"
To begin with I never dealt with the mans popularity in Bolivia as a whole. I made statements of fact about the cocaine trade in Bolivia since the 70's, particularly about the coca growers, their Union and Evo as their leaders.
You dismiss my statements of fact by saying there is only a "grain of truth" in them, and end by making generalized conclusions about Evo's support. All this without the least effort to support your arguments with facts.
Example 2."Conceding" there was Brazilian investment in Bolivia, to then go on to essentially conclude Brazil got cheap gas, using a Dollars and Sense article as his only basis.

Very weak, bring some facts to the table and you might gain some credibility.

10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BN,

Let’s say there was something that was close to your heart, that you cared about.

Could be a person, a city, hell why not say even a country…

And let’s say that this thing that you cared about started to change. You know weird stuff like this happens sometimes in life. People grow & change over time, cities transform, countries change… weird stuff this change, what it does to things..

And let’s just suppose that you were a little concerned about the changes going on in this “thing”…

Maybe coz it wasn’t anymore the thing that you knew & loved. You had trouble recognising it, or understanding where it was going. Maybe, heck, you even started wondering whether it was going in the “right direction” (yup, whatever that means…).

This ever happened to you BN?

And, if so, what have you found to be the best way of dealing with it?

The question comes from somebody, incidentally BN lest you get any other doubts, that definitely doesn’t have the secret recipe to the right answers, & was just wondering how you saw things…

Willing to learn, willing to listen, & (one day) maybe even willing to argue with you a bit… if it could be constructive…
Jack
ps. apologies if you decide to classify this post to as another irrelevant one, worse still unsupported by any facts (you’d obviously be right on this last count). But if you’ll allow me to argue with you on just one point for the time being, on its relevance or not, well… something inside me tells me that it really isn’t so irrelevant at all. Then again, I may just be rambling nonsense again…

3:50 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

And now for something completely different, and actually on point..

Lets cover the issue of inflated rhetoric by Morales:

The report is correct in its observation that Morales has inflated Bolivian-U.S. tensions unnecessarily with combative and overblown rhetoric aimed at the U.S. However, President Morales has toned down his rhetoric more recently, and some of Bolivia on the Brink’s characterization of that rhetoric seems, itself, overblown.

Here there is at least an admission of Morales' rhetoric against the US. But it is not only Morales rhetoric it also involves what allies of Evo say about the US -involving Bolivia in the whole mess, with the open consent of Evo.
Example, the Venezuelan ambassador like a Roman pro-consul openly giving instructions to Bolivia's military: saying it must "revise its politics and vision about national defense in front of an "enemy even bigger and more powerful" enemy. "

el embajador en La Paz, Julio Montes, quien dijo este lunes que las Fuerzas Armadas bolivianas deberían revisar su política y visión sobre la defensa nacional, frente "a un enemigo aún mayor y con más poder de desarrollo", aunque no identificó a ese enemigo.


Ok. lets talk anti-trade

The paper’s claim of Morales’ “antitrade rhetoric” is similarly misleading. Morales has spoken clearly and often about his support for foreign trade, including in his UN speech, but with an emphasis on agreements that serve the economic interests of his country rather than those of other foreign trading powers.

Well lets see what Evo says today.

Cochabamba, 22 may (ABI).- El presidente boliviano Evo Morales Ayma identificó hoy al capitalismo como al "peor enemigo de la humanidad" que incuba la mezquindad y la guerra, y somete los pueblos del mundo; por ello exhortó a los medios de comunicación a defender la vida y no servir a intereses ajenos a los de su sociedad.

http://www.abi.bo/
Claiming publically that capitalism is the "worst enemy of humanity" is straight out of the Cominterm playbook circa 1930.
All this talk is beyond being anti-trade, that is clinging on to ideologies that are outdated and quite frankly pretty darn stupid.

Evo not content with pontificating on trade in Bolivia, has gone on to publically talk bad about Peru and Colombia due to their pending free trade agreements with the US. He quite frankly sounded like an idiot, when he berated Uribe for supposed failings of the Colombian economy.

And this brings up another point of disagreement with the DC's spin. They often refer to previous governments of Bolivia as "Conservative". That is unfair because it includes parties including the traditional Social-Democratic party and center-left party, the MNR and the MIR. While these parties may have embraced market reforms, this was something they had in common with almost every modern Latin American party of the moderate center and moderate left, after the Soviet Block fell. It was BOLIVIANS in these parties, who changed their thinking due to REALITY.
These parties, and many of their former and current members would otherwise be considered Social Democrats. It is MAS-Evo who are out of the mainstream, and should not be confused with people even in the reasonable center-left.

12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oooooh BN you naughty devil you!

the “reasonable” center-left…
Jimbo has been only “unfair” with you…
did I even see a “pretty darn” hidden in there somewhere ?!?

Boy oh boy turn it down a notch sweetie & you start to come on almost charming ooooh besos besitos smwoack smwoack SMWOACK!

That said, once again some valid comments you make. I’m probably either a bit shy or dunno just feeling uncomfortable say still at this point to admit on which we’d be in agreement on, so just a few brief observations if I may:

- rhetoric, a funny beast this one, ummm. Practiced by many if not all to some extent, ummm… yup can be counter-productive if not actually dangerous sometimes… ummm. I dunno BN I simply give up on this one, just can’t work out who does it more, who does it worse, who we should point the finger to. And about what exactly. Sigh oh sigh. You got any ideas sweetness?

Incidentally, you kinda worried Venezuela’s going to declare war on the US? Send the Bolivian troops in first to the frontline under Ven command? What’s your timeline, how much we got BN? Six months, three, a couple of weeks? What do you suggest BN? Who should we be calling (other than family & friends)?

- is “capitalism” a synonym for “trade”? didn’t quite get your line of reasoning on that one…

And seeing you’re a stickler for context, just to add a bit that you missed out on the part about Evo not wanting to trade even his dirty linen with his house-cleaner & his mad plan to make sure the previously free world follows him on this folly mission…

"Las palabras del Jefe de Estado fueron pronunciadas durante la ceremonia de inauguración del "Quinto Encuentro de Intelectuales y Artistas por la Defensa de la Humanidad", en instalaciones de la Casona Santibáñez, que reúne a representantes de 36 países del mundo. Morales mencionó que la alternativa es la defensa de la vida y la dignidad de los pueblos; y por ello aseguro que su gobierno renunció a la guerra y asumió el compromiso de trabajar en beneficio de los más desposeídos con la recuperación de los recursos naturales y garantizar su seguridad alimentaria."

Now for somebody who’s by his own admission at least 39 years old, to get all worked up about what someone might say about capitalism to a bunch of artists & intellectuals in a meeting to discuss how to make the world a better place (I know I know crazy idea for crazy people & just a big waste of time really), & then say something perfectly innocuous about not liking wars & giving a damn about poor people & food… well I dunno BN. You been stabbed with a paintbrush recently by a guy sporting a wispy moustache & a funny haircut by any chance?

- the Bolivian party system… you appear to have a tendency to see things on a single spectrum from left to right, slot whoever concerned in to the spot YOU designate for them along this line & bob’s your uncle. Could there not be a different reading of the issue (or maybe, dare we say it, of the world at large)? That the MAS phenomenon, from zero to 60 in 5 seconds, shows that, for whatever reason, there must have been a fair amount of people that didn’t feel the existing parties represented them? Hence MAS boomed & the others crashed? This explanation sound reasonable to you BN? In which case whether you or Jim or Bob your uncle want to call the old parties conservative, social democrat, liberal or whatever takes your fancy is a somewhat moot point probably not worth spending too much time on?

- following on from which… your claim that MAS-Evo are “out of the mainstream” may actually not be quite spot on coz it’s actually a good part of Bolivia that’s out of the mainstream. Which is part of the problem actually, & not a small one, I could even agree with you on that…

So BN, what do we do buddy? How the heck we try to solve this mess?

Hang on a sec I got an idea – why yes, let’s write to Jimbo @ the DC, no hang on, let’s get really damn mad at him whaddyasay?
Jack

Ps. I noticed you haven’t replied to my 3.50 question. I can’t oblige you to ofcourse, & actually wouldn’t even want to, but it could have been a simple way to cover a whole load of ground with you… Guess we’ll have to console ourselves with that quaint addition of “darn” in yer vocabulary book.

Lastly, you started your posted saying in excellent Monty Python fashion with that “And now for something completely different”, you had us all geared up for something unthinkably novel dum da ra dum…& then what!?!? You went back to the same ole grindstone, naaaaaaaah!!! Cabezita cabezita…

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0ne issue at a time....


Venezuela is not a threat to the U.S., the Chavez Roberr-lution has its own free trade treaty with the U.S. Its oil is not taxed and it buys billions and billions of dollars worth of stuff like luxury cars in the U.S.

No, Chavez is a threat in places like Bolivia, not by anything he buys with money - ppl would be dumb not to take his money. But by virtue of his half-baked ideology being accepted by conviction or coercion.
Part of it has to do more with pure power. Chavez is creating some sort of socialism through the unique situation of having a huge windfall from oil. Little if no relevance there to anything elsewhere. And then you have the issues of his centralization of power in the state, the staggering level of corruption this has engendered, and the chronic inefficiency at the core of the system.

In a larger context Chavez has hijacked the movement to a genuine South American integration. this he has done by playing Brazil against Bolivia, and by trying to isolate Colombia and Peru.

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As for mainstream or non mainstream. I was thinking "globally." If Bolivians vote for a party outside of the global "mainstream" can mean that a. this is a protest vote, b. that many people felt dispossesed and tired of politics as usual. but you must also consider reason C. Prominent scholars have said that the Bolivian party system, was characterized by heavy dispensing of patronage, clientilism, and cronysim for electoral support. The reduction of the state, both in absolute size, number of jobs available, and money available from gov't positions created a crisis in the party system. To use the U.S. analogy, its if the party in office in Chicago, could not give its ward bosses in key neighborhoods the clout they needed to rally people to the polls anymore.
MAS came in as a protest party, with its base composed of coca growers coming from the activist mining syndicalist tradition of Bolivia. They also had money. They were able to spread "walking money" to striking workers, road blockers, and local leaders. One mining leader caught throwing dynamite in a protest in 05 had a couple of grand in US dollars on him.

Again, this is not the absolute or complete truth, but another strand in a complex fabric for everyone to consider.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok BN. A few more for you. One a time. Naturally…

(You’ll find them in the brackets)

Venezuela is not a threat to the U.S., the Chavez Roberr-lution has its own free trade treaty with the U.S. Its oil is not taxed and it buys billions and billions of dollars worth of stuff like luxury cars in the U.S.

No, Chavez is a threat in places like Bolivia, not by anything he buys with money - ppl would be dumb not to take his money. But by virtue of his half-baked ideology being accepted by conviction or coercion. (Conviction presumably means if someone happens to agree with it? Coercion if there are strings attached, in which case it’s a case of how much you have to give for each buck you get? So what’s your call on a party democratically elected in the knowledge it was likely to toe at least a similar line to the Robber-lution? Do they have the right to choose?)
Part of it has to do more with pure power. Chavez is creating some sort of socialism through the unique situation of having a huge windfall from oil. Little if no relevance there to anything elsewhere. (Really? You don’t see any similarities between Bolivia & Venezuela in that both are still heavily dependent on a very limited range of resources, & both have/had an assymetric distribution of wealth & power? How do you explain the rest of the pink tide in LA by the way?) And then you have the issues of his centralization of power in the state, the staggering level of corruption this has engendered, and the chronic inefficiency at the core of the system. (Ok, could be, but was it very different before BN? How can one measure these parameters objectively & accurately? And what bearing does this have on things anyway if those in power were voted in democratically?)

In a larger context Chavez has hijacked (you sure hijacked is the right word? Who were the previous pilots authorised to fly the Genuine SA Integration Airline?) the movement to a genuine South American integration. this he has done by playing Brazil against Bolivia (how did El Chavo manage to do that & what was his objective in this ploy?), and by trying to isolate Colombia and Peru (perhaps more credible, but isolate them from who & how? Have the Peruvian & Colombians no ability or autonomy to decide things for themselves? Is external pressure, regional geo-politics etc something only they feel in the world? How do you suggest Colombia & Peru should react?)

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As for mainstream or non mainstream. I was thinking "globally." If Bolivians vote for a party outside of the global "mainstream" can mean that a. this is a protest vote, b. that many people felt dispossesed and tired of politics as usual. but you must also consider reason C. Prominent scholars have said that the Bolivian party system, was characterized by heavy dispensing of patronage, clientilism, and cronysim for electoral support. The reduction of the state, both in absolute size, number of jobs available, and money available from gov't positions created a crisis in the party system. To use the U.S. analogy, its if the party in office in Chicago, could not give its ward bosses in key neighborhoods the clout they needed to rally people to the polls anymore. (Somewhat less credible sorry. A should be discarded in that voters vote for their own national, if not personal, interests. B sounds rather misinterpreted. Dispossesed maybe, tired of the old political parties rather likely, tired of politics as usual no way, otherwise it would be difficult to explain such a massive vote for a new party. Plenty of enthusiasm from a lot of voters, fear & concern from a minority, heck might as well take the plunge now & see what happens from a significant part of the electorate I’d wager. C could be partially true but this little strand doesn’t tell us much about the big picture. Your Chicago analogy doesn’t convince me either. Funding – illicit or not from sources legitimate or not – issues aside, how much clean money has there even been in Bolivia that subsequently hasn’t been tarnished in some way as it trickled through the political classes? Also, your scenarios allow little or no room for the Will of the voters, that this Will finds a way to express itself, that new entities & leaders emerge to represent that Will if the existing ones aren’t sufficiently convincing. Look not only at MAS but also at the Civic Committees, the Prefectures etc. as examples of this at work.)
MAS came in as a protest party, with its base composed of coca growers coming from the activist mining syndicalist tradition of Bolivia. They also had money. They were able to spread "walking money" to striking workers, road blockers, and local leaders. One mining leader caught throwing dynamite in a protest in 05 had a couple of grand in US dollars on him. (Credible details but extracted from the contextual realities can be rather misleading. See the previous comments on clean money & clean politics in Bolivia. And that Evo’s first base ofcourse was likely to start around him where he was at the time, being Chapare & more money coming from the coca than the pineapples it’s hardly surprising his base didn’t start with the Pineapple Union. Can’t recall you mentioning his leadership abilities, without which it’s hard to understand why he emerged & not someone else. About the unrest & protests etc I’ll go along with you more. That said, as I’ve mentioned previously life has a way of pushing us towards a point of balance, & what happened was probably, though it may cost us to admit it, something inevitable in many ways, that when enough people decided push needs to come to shove well, let’s just say it’s not something unique to Bolivia or history, & sometimes is necessary in order for progress to be made. Anyhow, to describe the MAS phenomenon more simply can we agree that it became a magnet for a lot of voters that weren’t happy with the way things were before?)

Again, this is not the absolute or complete truth, but another strand in a complex fabric for everyone to consider. (OK, & the disclaimer is appreciated. That said, from someone that is willing to spend a fair bit of time on the zillion strands a bigger picture to frame it all would have been helpful, & should presumably take little more of your precious time. You see BN, if someone focusses unduly on the strands that might be seen to be more comfortable to him/her, & omits the bigger picture &/or other strands that might be less comfortable, the net result to the reader is that there’s A. either a bit too much spin going on, or B. he can’t see the wood from the trees. If he/she continues to repeat the same strands over & over, spends a lot of time & energy pointing out other peoples’ spin, & omits the big picture/other strands over & over, one can justifiably begin to wonder A. what’s the guys agenda (& from there the question as to whether it’s likely to be a useful contribution or not naturally will arise) or B. is he actually a bit of a dummy coz the wood’s there for all to see & how come he can’t manage to see it. Personally I’d hope at least to “acquit” (horrible & wrong expression I agree) you on both B charges. Frankly I’d feel less comfortable about A. at this point but only you can answer that.

Much appreciated in any case,
Jack

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