Thursday, May 10, 2007

Report Excerpt: Bolivia – The Historical Context

Readers,

As promised, we are going to begin posting excerpts here on the Blog from The Democracy Center’s new report, Interpreting Bolivia’s Political Transformation. We wrote the report as a response to Bolivia on the Brink by Professor Eduardo Gamarra, published by the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations. Links to both reports can be found here.

We are posting these excerpts to create a forum for informed dialogue and discussion on current events in Bolivia. Our report will also be translated to Spanish and posted here in a few weeks. We have encouraged the Council to publish a translated version of its report as well, because obviously Bolivians have a right to see what is being written about events in their country.

One last note, as visitors to this Blog know, there are some people who believe that the best form of analysis is not actually analysis but insult, and certainly doing that takes less time and thought. To be clear, our paper is no way an attack on Professor Gamarra or the Council, both of whom we consider colleagues and both of whom we respect. They certainly understand that and we gave both Professor Gamarra and the Council an advance draft of our report and invited them to comment and point out anything that either considered to be unfair. We would certainly hope that our readers would treat both Professor Gamarra and the Council with similar respect in their comments here.

Jim Shultz


Report Excerpt: Bolivia – The Historical Context

No country can be separated from its history and no analysis of current events in Bolivia would be complete without a solid understanding of the historical context that has brought Bolivia to the moment of important change where it finds itself today.

Bolivia is the most impoverished country in South America and the most economically unequal. It is also the most indigenous country in all of the Americas. Its roots, going back five centuries, have been shaped by interventions from abroad, most of which have produced exploitation and hardship. In the 1500s and 1600s the Spanish mined Bolivia’s famous Cerro Rico in Potosí, the single hill that was so filled with silver that it virtually bankrolled the Spanish Empire for two centuries. The fact that Bolivia sat atop one of the largest sources of mineral wealth on the planet and ended up the poorest nation on the continent is a well-remembered injustice here and an unfortunate precursor for much of its history since.

The Dominant Role of the “Washington Consensus” in Bolivia

While Bolivia on the Brink devotes a good deal of attention to the new role of Venezuela and Cuba in Bolivia, strikingly absent from the report is any substantial analysis of the outside forces that have most shaped Bolivia’s path for the past two decades: international financial institutions such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank.

For twenty years, Bolivia was one of Latin America’s main testing grounds for a package of market-driven economic reforms known as the Washington Consensus. John Williamson, the U.S. economist who coined that phrase in testimony before the U.S. Senate, has called Bolivia “the big bang” of implementation of the IMF and World Bank economic model in Latin America. Understanding that history is essential to understanding the dynamics of current Bolivian politics.

Under direct IMF and World Bank pressure, conservative Bolivian governments throughout the 1980s and 1990s engineered a radical change of direction in national economic policy. Often in order to comply with conditionalities that those institutions tied to essential aid, Bolivia privatized most of its key national industries and resources, from its gas and oil to its public water systems. Bolivia undertook those reforms based on predictions and promises that the results would help lift the nation from poverty. The new jobs and substantial boost in revenues from gas and oil privatization never materialized, a topic we discuss in more detail below. The water privatizations coerced by the World Bank as loan conditions in 1997 led to substantial rate hikes and the now-famous Cochabamba Water Revolt in 2000.

Bolivia on the Brink is correct when it attributes the political rise of President Evo Morales as due, in part, to the country’s “efforts to follow a market-oriented development model.” However, by failing to mention the central role that U.S.-dominated institutions played in pressuring Bolivia to adopt that model, the report misleads readers into thinking that Bolivians set out on that course strictly by their own choice. Pressure from international financial institutions was pivotal in that policy shift, a fact that still casts an important shadow over the nation’s politics.

Repressive Governments

All Bolivians over the age of forty have vivid memories of living under brutal dictatorships, marked by torture, disappearances, and the suspension of key civil liberties. Many of these authoritarian regimes during the 1970s enjoyed the support of the U.S. governments of the time and were propped up by loans from foreign financial institutions. That repression reappeared as well under elected governments after democracy was restored in Bolivia in 1981. During the Cochabamba Water Revolt in 2000, for example, a dictator who returned as an elected president, Hugo Banzer, turned armed troops on protesters and imposed a suspension of civil liberties. The role of political repression in Bolivia’s history, despite its importance in understanding current events, is absent from Bolivia on the Brink.

More important, however, is the paper’s direct misrepresentation of the events in September and October 2003 that led to the resignation of President Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada. The author writes, “To many observers, Sánchez de Lozada’s resistance to the demand for a new Constituent Assembly was the main factor responsible for his fall.” The actual events leading to President Sánchez de Lozada’s resignation and subsequent fleeing to the U.S. are well documented and dramatically at odds with the author’s representation.

The protests that spread across Bolivia in October 2003 were clearly not about the proposal for a Constituent Assembly to rewrite the nation’s constitution. They were directly in opposition to a plan by Sánchez de Lozada to export under-priced Bolivian gas through Chile to the U.S. That opposition, which led tens of thousands of Bolivians into the streets, was an expression of both mistrust of Sánchez de Lozada’s economic plans and Bolivians’ historic and deep resentment of Chile’s seizure of their nation’s last access to the sea more than a century ago.

More importantly, the protests were transformed into a broad public call for Sánchez de Lozada’s resignation only after troops dispatched by Sánchez de Lozada to break-up the protests engaged in a wave of repression that left more than sixty people dead. Even Mr. Sánchez de Lozada’s own Vice President, Carlos Mesa, broke with him over the repression. The author’s failure to mention these events surrounding Mr. Sánchez de Lozada’s resignation – the killings in particular – leaves readers with a woefully incomplete understanding and damages the paper’s credibility.

97 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

..."All Bolivians over the age of forty have vivid memories of living under brutal dictatorships, marked by torture, disappearances, and the suspension of key civil liberties. Many of these authoritarian regimes during the 1970s enjoyed the support of the U.S. governments of the time and were propped up by loans from foreign financial institutions. That repression reappeared as well under elected governments after democracy was restored in Bolivia in 1981. During the Cochabamba Water Revolt in 2000, for example, a dictator who returned as an elected president, Hugo Banzer, turned armed troops on protesters and imposed a suspension of civil liberties. The role of political repression in Bolivia’s history, despite its importance in understanding current events, is absent from Bolivia on the Brink...."

"Brutal dictators" who then returned as democratically elected presidents? Do you guys realize how contradictory is the view you want to "sell" when you compare it with reality???

1:04 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I don't see how it's a contradiction to claim that brutal dictators can be elected at later points in time. First, because electorates are fickle.

But, mostly, because (as Jim knows, but the anonymous poster seems not to) the dictatorships in Bolivia weren't all the same. Some were more brutal than others. Some leaned left; others leaned right. Some overthrew other regimes. The Natusch coup, one of the bloodiest in the country's history, is not at all like the René Barrientos regime.

So, frankly, I've no idea what this particular anonymous is protesting. Can anyone explain it to me?

On a related note: I'd encourage Jim to close comments to only those who add a name (even if a pseudonym) of some kind. There are too many anonymous posters -- most of them just trolls (look it up, if you're unfamiliar w/ internet lingo). Surely we wouldn't lose much if commenters were required to identify themselves?

Finally, I want to highly commend Jim for the addendum above the post. And I don't actualy see much difference between the two reports. Gamarra (and his collaboraters) themselves have always pointed out that a great deal of Bolivia's instability is the fault of poor US policy towards the region.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous ...y tu mama tambien said...

you got add into the marco economic analysis these factors:

That during the 90s Bolivia experienced 'relative' prosperity and growth. The claim that the plan would lift the nation out of poverty was probably oversold, but what actually led to the destruction of the economy is Evo.

What most ignore is the fact that Bolivia was dealing with several problems at the same time. Recovering from hyperinflation, collapse of the tin mines, and most importantly a drug war.

The merits of the war are a separate debate but the net effect was that, under US pressure, 2/3 of the Bolivian economy had to be destroyed.

By the year 2000, according to the INE the PIB/GDP grew from $Bs 15 Billion in 1990 to $22 Billion in real terms. That's not that bad looking at our track record.

Around this time comes Evo who is directly affected by the ley 1008. Tuto tries to score points against GSL and politicizes the gas. Add couple of "reinvindicaciones historicas" and the discovery of bloqueos....and puff Evo totally *$*#@$@# the Bolivian economy.

What IT IS worrisome about the situation and Gamarra correctly points out is the papable feeling in Bolivia that we are close to a big confrontation. It is alogn ideological-race lines and the first symptom the high level of intolerance.

Just like Bush, the MAS is using the if you are not with us you are against us mentality. Anyone who does not blindly follow their caudillos is a vende patria.

Let's see how they handle Brazil, Telecom, and the ATPDEA. More interestingly, let's see if Chavez can deliver.

3:22 PM  
Blogger Teo Ballvé said...

I second the notion of doing something about comments on this blog.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Amen to "teo"'s comment.

Aside: regarding source qualifications, Gammarra is a vende-patria/hack with the weakest of academic credentials as evidence by the third tier school he hangs at. Will provide evidence to support my indictment of him as a non-credible source.

If I were a right-winger like Frank IBc, a drive-by poster, I would just leave my comment or sign it as being by "anonymous" and be done with it. But that is not my style.

4:52 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

The irony of your post escapes you, it would appear.

9:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor Grindio...envy is really killing you. I mean did you even go to college? I bet even Centella's students at a "third tier" school are far more articulate and enlightened than you. BTW you should know that right now at the UMSA, the MAS is giving away degrees to political acolytes and that you need your MAS political affiliation to expedite most paperwork.

All your posts have the same pattern, no arguments, only insults, while at the same time accusing anyone who disgrees with your masters (Evo, Chavez, Fidel) as a vendepatria or racist. The irony...you guys are the biggest traitors in the history of Bolivia and your side is doing their fair share on the racist front.

Frank,

That is the intolerance I was talking about. Currently in the MAS regime, academic credentials are the equivalent of being a certified vendepatria, as grindio points out. A Che guevara T-shirt will get you farther than degree from Harvard. Unless you denounce the "washington concensus" your days as a columnist/academic/leader are done. Reminds me of the inquisition and how Galileo had to accept that the earth was flat.

You see only revolutionary doctrine is worth studying. Just like with Bush questions evolution and global warming, Evo questions free markets and free trade and there thousands of useful fools that are following him. Nobody questions anything MAS is doing. I mean, for example, supplanting the US market with Cuba?!?

It a sad state of affairs and nothing good is gonna come out of it when ideology tries to hide reality. Pachakuti...The world is upside down

ps I post anonimously because my job does not allow me to view my political opinions in public

1:00 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Some corrections on college "tiers". Gamarra teaches at Florida International University (FIU). It's not third tier; it's a Carnegie accredited doctoral research institution, and ranks in the top 100 research universities in the US (check US News & World Report). It's Latin American and Caribbean Center (LACC) is one of hte most respected programs of its kind. It ranks up there with the programs at UT Austin, Georgetown, FLACSO (which is based in Latin America). LACC is certainly one of the largest and most cross-disciplinary, w/ nearly 200 faculty attached to the program (in disciplines like anthropology, economics, literature, health scienes, political science, etc).

So I fail to see how Gamarra teaches at a "third tier" institution. Again, this is ridiculous and shows a tremendous ammount of ignorance when it comes to Bolivian scholarship.

For the record, I'm not at a third tier school either. I teach at Dickinson College, which ranks in the top 50 liberal arts colleges in the country (currently #41). So much for my being a hack, too.

1:22 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I double checked, and yes, apparently FIU is not a "top" ranked school. So I stand corrected. But as a Latin Americanist (and a member of LASA, Latin American Studies Association) I can tell you that FIU's LACC is highly respected.

Part of why FIU isn't top ranked, is that it's a public university. US News & World Report only ranks 248 universities; but 86 of thos are private. Those tend to dominate the top rankings.

So, ironically, criticizing FIU for its ranking is actually rather classist. Isn't it? Who can afford to attend Harvard? Or Yale? Or Princeton? Those are the top schools. FIU is located in an urban environment, has a large multicultural student (and faculty) population, and is an affordable alternative for students who can't afford the top private ivy league schools.

Yes, let's condemn Gamarra for teaching minority students from low socioeconomic standing at a public university. Let's show our solidarity w/ the ivy league upper class intellectuals. Hear, hear! [that's me being sarcastic, btw].

And for the record, I went to a low ranked school. I spent about as much on my entire education (undergard through PhD) as many kids at the college I now work at spend in two years. And yet coming for a low ranked school, I still managed to win a Fulbright Fellowship (2003-2004) and was named a Graduate Fellow of the American Academy of Political and Social Sciences (2006).

So let's not assume that only people at Harvard have a right to speak on academic issues. And here's a tip: if you attack one of the big names in the discipline as "ignorant", you really piss off social scientists. Because a) it shows total lack of knowlege of the discipline and how is/ins't an "expert" and b) it irritates us to have our credentials questioned by people (see "a") have just demonsrated that they're *NOT* "experts".

2:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It’s amusing to read that a perfect nobody attacks Mr. Gamarra and his extensive work. Amazing…

2:19 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

If we want to talk about "context", lets start with the historical context missing from the DC’s analysis. HOW ABOUT WORLD RECORD HYPERINFLATION IN THE EARLY 80’S!!!! Lets talk about Bolivia’s statist, centralist and patronage based system, which was followed by governments of the right, center and left. One example, the countries public enterprises' share of total fixed investments was an astonishing 39 percent in 1969 the highest in Latin America

Lets also talk about the debt crisis of the late 70’s and 80;s, partially the result of national government running up foreign debts, finding itself unable to pay its army of employees and cover losses to state firms, after sources of international funding dried up, , oil prices fell, and Bolivia had trouble with Argentina its gas customer at the time. They printed money leading to hyperinflation.

What the hell was the alternative then? Not much The measures imposed in the 80’s, were things that most mainstream economists would have done - including a certain nobel-winner, who has admitted as much.

The so-called Washington Consensus itself, was mostly recommendations that are common sense, including keeping a balanced budget, pruning out the enormous state, prudent macroeconomic management, and divesting the state from activities that in most of the civilized world are done by the private sector at lesser costs and greater efficiency.
What DC does is somehow try to make these things seem foreign or totally imposed from abroad.

The DC ignores the fact that the utter collapse and complete failure of command economies in the Eastern Block, as well as its more benign Western European variants, caused a major change in thinking among many policy makers in the developed world including Latin Americans. This was in addition to the shifts in thinking about Latin America’s previous economic development. Quite simply the ideas that most Latin American countries had not had experience with free markets, since the traditional right/oligarchy governments had promoted: state capitalism, crony capitalism, protectionism, and neo-mercantilism.

Fact is, many people believed that free markets, associated with free trade policies, and the acceptance of foreign direct investment, could lead to economic growth and reduction of poverty. Is that view misplaced? Well half of humanity in India and China are proving it is not in spectacular fashion. At the very least they should be clear and convincing evidence that socialism/collectivism is a dismal and absolute failure. In Latin America, the problem was not in free trade or in market economies, it is in measures taken without strong institutions, leading to the same old cronyism a la Argentina under Menem. IMF policies that were too hasty and/or did not look for proper regulations to be in place, ended up badly this way.

But in the end, in Bolivia, the policies under the administrations in power from 84 to 04, ended up creating conditions for massive investment in the country, kept the debt down, brought the out-of-control state under control, and finally began sensible fiscal and macroeconomic policies. Evo, for all his talk about ending neo-liberalism, is in fact, benefiting largely from it.

3:15 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Meanwhile in Venezuela, Chavez is trying to blame the bankers for that country's increasing rate of inflation. His proposed "cure"? Why, lower interest rates and easier credit. Idiot.

3:45 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Let's not get into the
"internet police" role to prevent who participates in a blog or who doesn't. As long as you express a view in a respectful and civilized way do it with your name, pseud. or as anonymous.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Besides,let everyone enjoy the freedom of expressing opinions while they can. Pretty soon Morales will take over Entel and with it the control over the internet. Then Bolivia will have a more "democratic" access to web (like the cubans)...

8:22 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

For some of the context of the 1980s. Bolivia's attempts at democratization were costly, and some of the most bloody in the continent (by contrast, Chile's was a peaceful transfer of power). So that's an important part of the context, too.

But on the economic side, I remember when inflation hit more than 25,000%. The economy was, essentially, in ruins. There was a time when most of the government expenditures went to buy paper to print money. That was the legacy of the collapse of international oil prices (btw, one can trace the rise of Chavez in the 1990s to a similar phenom in Venezuela), the debt crisis, and a bloated public sector.

I remember when Paz Estenssoro took office in 1985. He gave his first speech, in which he told Bolivians: "Bolivia is dying; we have to amputate the limbs to save the body."

The economic shock program, which brought inflation under 10% w/in a year was just that. An amputation. But I still believe it saved the corpse. Otherwise, Bolivia would've just disintegrated. Did this cause massive economic dislocations? Yes. After the debt crisis & inflation had wiped out most of the middle class, the shock program nearly wiped out the formal labor sector. But the economy stabilized and began to climb back up.

Additionally, the blame isn't entirely on US policymakers. No one in Washington "enforced" any kind of "Washington consensus". If you read hte article in which the term first appeared, a general agreement that policy analysts, think tanks researchers, international organizations, US policmakers, and Latin American leaders themsevles seemed to settle on was a broad set of packages that the authors called "the Washington Consensus". There is no document w/ that name.

But the fault of Bolivia's horrible economy also rests on the economic mismanagement of decades of bad domestic leadership. To blame all our problems on the US/IMF/World Bank is myopic. And it speaks to sense of lack of agency, fatalism, and the self-importance that many (especially those critics on hte left who want to always blame some large vast Anglo-European organization) have of their own self-importance.

Bolivia went broke because of bad economic policies starting in the 1940s. Import substitution industrialization, in a country w/o a market (unlike Brazil). A policy of near-full employment for mines that cost more to keep open than they produced. Vast corruption and prebendalism. A bloated military budget under the illusion that Chile or someone might actually want to attack us. Things like that. Bolivia's state in the 1960s-1980s looke much like an African state: parasytic, bloated, and weak.

We can argue about whether privatization (actually, it was "capitalization," which was NOT the selling off of companies, but rather selling of 50% shares of companies) was a good or bad policy. But these choices were as much the choices of Bolivian leaders, as they were the influence of anyone else.

BTW, I'm never quite sure why some people are happy to replace a Venezuelan foreign influence w/ an American one. But that's another issue.

10:24 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Not necessarily an American influence. Chile, Colombia, and Brazil would be much better role models for Bolivia than Chavez's Venezuela.

11:21 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Yes, Frank_IBC, I actually think it's remarkably sad that Evo is pushing Bolivia closer to Venezuela, rather than Brazil. And it's even worse becaues Bolivia's closeness to Venezuela benefits Venezuela at the expense of Bolivia! Just recently, Brazil has pulled back its investment in Bolivia's energy sector -- because Evo's taking a hard line -- and is instead now investing in Venezuela!

I always thought it was dangerous for Bolivia policy to take its cues from Venezuela. Since the two compete in the market for the same resource (oil & gas), it's in Venezuela's interest to marginalize Bolivia to expand its own markets. If the US pursues it's national interests, it's clear that Venezuela is doing the exact same thing.

Evo needs to realize that following Chavez is a potential disaster. Because Chavez is responsible to his citizens, not to Bolivians. If the price of oil falls (as it's starting to), Chavez will cut Bolivia & Cuba loose. And then where will Bolivia go for money? It's one thing for Venezuela, an export-rich OPEC country to quite the IMF (after paying all its debts back). It's another for a very poor, crisis-ridden country to do likewise.

Bolivian policy should move closer to Brazil & Peru, where it can also gain some access to ocean exports. Rather than to a country like Venezuela, w/ which it doesn't even share a border.

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so many criticize Goni et al. for "giving away" Bolivian natural resources to companies like Enron. So what if it was Enron came in and built a pipeline? The country is definately better of with the pipeline and the gas that privatizacion gave us (Entel also a big plus, negatives would be trains and LAB). The laws were drafted at a time when we did not have gas or anything besides cocaine to move the economy. So there no choice but to give foreigners incentives to deal come to Bolivia and deal with the risk.

Now with Evo let's see what will happen with PDVSA and the Apolo concesion. There was no open international bidding for the project. Evo just gave it to his buddy Hugo in a secret deal. The "giving away" of the neoliberals at least there was a public auction. Ironically, the oil is very similar to Venezuala's.

9:48 AM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

The gap between the money that Chavez has offered all his buddies and what Venezuela is ACTUALLY able to dispose of for his fascist imperial purposes is already in the 10+ billion mark. More sooner than later the "castle" will crumble. All of those who are enthusiastic about the fact that Morales has decided to make Bolivia a satellite state of Venezuela should be very worried. The ride won't last long. Actually, the overall economy of every country in South America (including Bolivia's) is much better off and more diversified than than venezuela's. Any dip in the price of oil will bring a disaster to emperor Hugo I.

11:14 AM  
Anonymous Davicho said...

I just wanted to say, as an American who has worked for two and a half years in small business development in rural Bolivia, that Mr. Centellas insights are some of the most lucid and objective that I have heard so far regarding the debate about contemporary Bolivia.

And for what it's worth, I actually will be attending Harvard this Fall and many of the best ideas for Bolivia are not coming from there, but from the so-called "third rate" academics who are regrettably being maligned here. I recommend some people actually look at their work before making silly ad hominem attacks about them or their institutions.

12:26 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Jim: With all due respect, to you, Gamarra deserves no respect and should be regarded not just as a hack but as a wannabe war criminal who intended harm to Evo and peaceful protestors, when Evo was a marginalized union leader giving voice to the unrepresented, marginalized and disenfranchised Bolivian poor. What Gamarra passes off as "analysis" from what he cobbled together in Jeb Bush/gusano-land is weak when it is not disguised pro-Bush propaganda. For example, here is what his crystal ball led him to predict last year about Boivia’s political parties:
“MAS and the Nationalist Revolutionary Movement (MNR), however, are the only two parties that will survive in the long term, Gamarra predicted.” http://www.thedialogue.org/summaries/feb06/gamarra.asp

A cursory perusal of Gamarra’s reckless reactionary rhetoric that promotes Bush policies while advocating crimes against humanity invites investigation to see if he is on the G. W. Bush government payroll like his fellow Floridian hacks at the Miami Herald were (until they were outed for being paid by the Bushies to diss Fidel and spread Bush propaganda as does Gamarra) or funded by the CIA like FIU.

What is the basis of my allegation, you ask? How about this from those shills for the CIA at FIU itself: http://news.fiu.edu/releases/2005/03-09_ia.htm
"MIAMI, Fla. (March 9, 2005) - A consortium of intelligence gathering agencies in Washington, D.C., has selected Florida International University to lead in the development of academic programs that will produce well trained and more diverse intelligence analysts.
The grant that the U.S. Intelligence Community awarded to the Jack D. Gordon Institute for Policy and Citizenship Studies at FIU's Center for Transnational and Comparative Studies (TCS), is part of an initiative seeking to diversify the ranks of its different agencies. . . The grant gives FIU $750,000 for the 18-month pilot program, which could then be renewed over four years for a total of up to $3 million.”

What is the basis of my alleging Gamarra is not just a hack but a closeted, reactionary fascist passing himself off as an academic? How about this from a noted investigative journalist who commented that ‘Gamarra's call to “use force,” in the context of Bolivian history, is an open call – on the pages of the New York Times – for a massacre of epic proportions… For the people in diverse (and conflicting) sectors in Bolivia, there are serious issues on the table: how to meet human needs for water and gas, autonomy and what it might mean for different regions of the country, an overdue Constituent Assembly to remake a government to be closer to the people… But for Gamarra the big issue on the table is “force,” as in violence, as in his apparent disgust that the current government has not sent tanks into the streets or shot bullets into crowds as it did when his pal . . . disgraced ex-president Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, caused the blood to flow through the streets in October 2003.” ’

Eduardo: Pompous reactionary asses like mcentella and you (especially, you who is likely to be in the pay of Bushies, per word written) are likely to be reading about yourselves on this blog, so why don’t you respond to this: Is it not a fact that you advocated violence against Evo and the social movements who were at that time exercising the right to seek redress for their grievances from their government?

According to the NY Times, in its article entitled “Bolivia Leader Offers to Quit Amid Crisis Over Control of Resources” published on March 7, 2005, you stated:
'"Mesa has to understand that governments have the right, the legitimate right, to use force," said Eduardo Gamarra, the Bolivian-born director of the Latin America and Caribbean Center at Miami's Florida International University. "You can't just burn down a building or take over a government building because you don't like government policy."'
If Morales extends Gamarra’s logic then he gets to massacre the Camba fascists, Croat clans and the racists Nacion Camba or Union Civica Juvenil the next time they “take over a government building because [they] don’t like government policy”.

Gamarra should be regarded as not just a hack, likely to be in the pay of the CIA or the Bushies, but as a closeted fascist, reactionary insurgent who once considered using Morales to help execute his nefarious schemes to bring down the Bolivian governmental system in favor of one serving Bush as evidenced by this in the Washington Post: ‘As Eduardo A. Gamarra of Florida International University puts it, "do we want to keep (Morales) within the system or are we going to help him bring the system down?'' ’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24929-2005Mar10.html

El Grindio rests his case.

7:33 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Prestigous "public Ivies": UC Berkeley, University of Virginia, UCLA. . . FIU.

Oh, wait, something is wrong with that picture. FIU has never been a highly regarded public university like that lying hack mcentella stated as follows:
‘Some corrections on college "tiers". Gamarra teaches at Florida International University (FIU). It's not third tier; it's a Carnegie accredited doctoral research institution, and ranks in the top 100 research universities in the US (check US News & World Report).’

In point of fact, notwithstanding mcentellas lie, FIU is at the bottom. It is an academic ghetto in the FOURTH TIER! http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_9635_brief.php

I guess the world and specifically “US News & World Report” did not get that clown mcentella's memo about how FIU is an elite public university with a "large multicultural student (and faculty) population” like its fellow prestigous public universities like UC Berkeley, University of Virginia and UCLA. Yeah right.

Mcentella is living in his own private affirmative action academic ranking wherein Gammarra's analysis should be weighted with credibiility because he is "teaching minority students from low socioeconomic standing at a public university".
I guess the affirmative action card works for mcentellas, since that way of thinking awarded him a "Fulbright" affirmative action handout to Bolivian students. It certainly explains how someone who writes comments like his was granted a "Fulbright" and it puts that "Fulbright" into perspective.
Bottom line: the proof is in the pudding, meaning what has he done with the advantages that accrue to an affirmative action "Fulbright" scholar picked from the many strong candidates Santa Cruz, Bolivia fields annually, yeah right.

Oh, yeah, that handout got him his current temporary dayjob at one of those many small colleges that collectively elicits a "huh" when mentioned in public. There he can pontificate to his students at that prestigious college he teaches at, which is nestled between Furman University and Union College in one of those many subcategories of the academic rankings of US & News World Report.

Mcentella: regarding your lie or lies, you do not "stand corrected" as you stated above. You stand tainted; you lack credibility even regarding education your field of work.

Reader: Do not be deceived. For the above-stated reasoning, you should disregard all of mcentella's comments since he admits to setting forth false statements of fact (which form the basis of his comments).

But then what can be expected from an affirmative action scholar from that academic desert Santa Cruz, who was educated at colleges that all started with a geographic designation such as in South Central Across From Seven-Eleven Michigan University. :-)

Please direct more ad hominems at me so that I again become interested enough to take time from all the fun I have been having lately in the real world. Only then will the need to expose mcentella for the hack that he is outweigh the demands on my time as an indie filmmaker/legal advocate

8:18 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Interesting that you would use the term "affirmative action" to attack someone who disagrees with you. So much for your "solidarity" with the peoples of color of the world.

8:44 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

"Davicho":
Thank you for sharing your feelings with us. However, nobody cares.

In the interests of building a democracy from the bottom up, we should be interested not only in the sources and types of evidence presented but in its probative force. The feelings you expressed fall short of making a case for any position regarding "contemporary Bolivia". Nor do I believe a word that you wrote. You lack credibility or competence.

As for your recommendation, please refer to the case against Gamarra, that I documented above. Further, please note that it is inaccurate to regard him as a "third rate academic". "Fourth rate" is more accurate since FIU is a fourth tier institution (for context, that would seem to put it in the neighborhood of something in the neighborhood of a prison education), if we use US & News World report as our criteria as mcentellas recommended.

8:47 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Frankie Baby,

Once again, you use my statements out of context. Just like you did with my prior statement wherein I said I would subsequently make the case against Gamarra.

Apparently, you just can't keep yourself from posting one of your many drive-by ad hominems that never address the merits of my positions. Herein, you are also engaging in a semantic quibble.

Affirmative action like most public policies, is not just a question of right or wrong, "solidarity" or the absence of "solidarity" and/or black or white. It is like most of life's issues: it has a lot of grey areas. It can be a good thing; it can be a bad thing. When right wingers like Clarence Thomas and mcentellas use it to pull themselves up into spheres their native intelligence does not merit, then it is a bad thing when they later advocate policies that step on the fingers of others who are trying to climb up life's ladders.

I used the phrase "affirmative action" because that defines what the inarticulate and deceptive mcentellas described. I implied no negative value against affirmative action as a public policy in the service of social engineering that promotes equity and justice.

Wait, why am I wasting bandwidth explaining the nuances of a complex idea or concept to someone incapable of writing more than three or four sentences in a drive-by ad hominem?

Life is too short for that. And I have so many fun and exciting things to do today.

Later dude,
El Grindio

9:22 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Yes - I understand that Monday is "Basket Weaving Day" at the institution.

10:11 AM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

After reading these last posts, I have the same amusing sensation I had when as kids growing up in La Paz my buddies and I came across those little angry pooches that bark like lunatics and slam themselves against the doors when they feel someone is passing by on the other side….

Mcentellas, thank you for your centered and knowledgeable comments about your country’s crucial and defining political moments. They are an excellent source of information for all of those who are interested but don’t understand the complex process Bolivia is going through.

10:28 AM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Grindio, your hysterical blatherings are funny. You don't have a clue, get over yourself.

Hmmmm...so Gamarra is a CIA dupe now. Funny stuff some people in Miami seem to think that LACC and the Cuban Research Institute - which does research on Cuba is somehow pro-Castro.
Actually, there has been so much controversy about this whole thing that the legislature banned public universities from sponsoring trips to Cuba.

10:35 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Wow, Grindio. Wow. So, I guess the "Gri" part of your name is more important than the "indio" part, eh? Because you basically told my ghetto ass to shut up and be a good "house Indian." You basically told me that because I'm Bolivian (and, yes, my abuelito spoke Quechua) I could only get to where I am due to affirmative action, because otherwise my intellect is too weak, because I'm Bolivian. Wow. I don't even know here to begin to respond to such a brutally racist attack. Just, wow.

And, btw, when I admitted that I made a mistake -- and quickly corrected myself, you saw that as a sign of weakness. So does that mean that you're never willing to change your mind? A person who's never willing to change their mind or entertain the possibility of being wrong is a person who doesn't really think -- it's a person who believes in dogma. Funny, I thought the Enlightenment was all about ending that. I guess some of us still live in the century or religious wars.

I could go on to dissassemble your ranting (which is what it was). But, frankly, I don't waste my time arguing w/ people who've demonstrated that if push comes to shove they'll place the racism. carde.

10:53 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

If any of you are interested, I have my own blog of Bolivian politics (and other topics). Here's the URL:

http://www.mcentellas.com

It also frequently links to many other sources (in English & Spanish), including the Global Voices project (based in Harvard, which I don' think this site ever plugged), which offers a roundup of Bolivian (and other country's) bloggers; the Bolivia editor is my friend Eduardo Avila (who has his own blog and who's moving back to Bolivia to start a Bolivian upcoming leaders programs for talented non-elite youth):

http://www.globalvoicesonline.org/-/world/americas/bolivia/

There's also the openDemocracy project, which is an online peer-review journal based in Oxford (I believe). It publishes amazing, in depth-articles and provides a forum for discussion:

http://www.opendemocracy.net

Basically, I try to read up on as many different sources on Bolivia as possible, not just one. Jim's blog is certainly useful & interesting. But if you're only reading one perspective, you should try to read more.

There are a few other bloggers, all of us Bolivians. Why don't we come here more often. Frankly, beacuse of poeple like Grindio. I now have to seriously debate whether my leaving again is a bad thing, or whether I should insist (by my presence) that I deserve a seat at the lunch counter.

11:01 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Just a few notes for the record:

My Fulbright wasn't for a Bolivian travelling to the US. It was for an American travelling to Bolivia (having lived in the US since I was 10, I hold a US passport). So, I didn't compete against Bolivian candidates (most of the Bolivian Fulbrights come from La Paz, btw), but against US doctoral students from every field (the other five of us in Bolivia that year were mostly in Anthropology).

But, yes, I went to a bottom tier state university. And I couldn't afford the application fee to apply to more than one. Look up the socioeconomic stats on Saginaw, Michigan sometime (it's on par w/ Flint). Or look up Stearing Gear III (that's my old neighborhood).

When Gamarra argues that states can legitimately use violence, that's not him being reactionary. That's the basic definition of the state; it's usually credited to Weber ("states are organizations that hold a monopology over hte means of coercion in a given territory"), but in his essay "Politics as a Vocation", Weber himself credits that definition to Trotsky ("all states are based on the use of violence").

When states cease to enforce the rule of law, states face collapse. Liberals and socialists have always accepted that a state can legitimately use force (whether it can *morally* use force is another matter). But states are the only legimiate means of force. That's why states have armies and why paramilitaries are cancerous to the life of states.

11:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Centellas et al.

Don't take Grindio seriously, either he posted-while-drinking or he, a la Imus, is trying to be funny. Centellas, thanks for elevating the conversation here.

I did go to one of those elite institutions, actually a couple of them. Lots of accomplishments and on the way there I've learned two things. One is that not all have had the same opportunities or possibilities and had to go to places like ASU (simpson's allusion here), but there is no such thing as a second class PhD. Even some crap schools in Queens have specific programs that are world class. Some even choose a no name school is Scotland so they can work with the people that cloned Dolly.

The other thing is that some people simply do not believe latinos are smart or can get nowhere without help from affirmative action. This group also includes other latino people like grindio. They are convinced that Bolivians in the US can only work mowing lawns or busing tables. Anyone who is "not keepin it real" is a vendepatria.

Unfortunately this view extends to matters like trade, where they believe the poor bolivian indio cannot possible be competitive.

BTW Grindio

Alvaro Garcia Linera has repeatdly said that he supports the idea of a the state using force, even deadly force.

Get a clue and a 'edumacation.' You are making a very strong case that indeed you are like all those blind George W. Bush necon supporters.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Enough time spent on the blog's angry little chihuahua... Mcentellas, look forward to reading more of your opinions..

12:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Centellas?

I know you keep a database of Bolivian political figures. What do you have on Peter McFarren? Apparently he's become sort of a Godfather...love to hear more

1:08 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

My database isn't as current as I would like (I've been busy w/ teaching duties the past year). Also, it only includes elected officials (I'd like to eventually expand it, and am looking for a grant to do that). What I do have is available here:

http://www.centellas.org/politics/politiddly.html

It is (slowly) being expanded and moved to here:

http://editthis.info/bolivian_politics/Main_Page

All I know about Peter McWarren is that he was the AP correspondent in Bolivia, but then resigned after he took up a lobbying job. Since he's not an elected official (and not even a Bolivian), he's sort of off my radar.

My interest is in party systems & electoral systems. So my database is mostly a way to "map" the social network of who runs (and gets elected) from which party, and how people/groups migrate from one party to another across election years.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

2:19 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Funny how the right-wing cockroaches were flushed out when I illuminated the darkness which is their mindset. I appreciate the ad homs but they barely interest me enough to spend but a few minutes constructing refutations. Here we go:

Frank_IBC said... I understand that Monday is "Basket Weaving Day" at the institution.
EG: You would know.

justo perez said... little angry pooches that bark like lunatics and slam themselves against the doors. . .
EG: That is a good metaphor for describing collegiate debate . . . back in the day when I debated.

JP: Mcentellas, thank you for your centered and knowledgeable comments about your country’s crucial and defining political moments.
EG: Justo, why can’t you smell the stinky brown stuff all over your nose. 

Boli-Nica said... Hmmmm...so Gamarra is a CIA dupe now.
EG: Boludo-Nica, don’t put words in my mouth. The FIU evidence speaks for itself as to the CIA funding a certain FIU institute. I do not know it for a fact but I suspect the evidence might show Gamarra may have been paid by Bushies to write the crap he writes.

mcentellas said... you basically told my ghetto ass to shut up and be a good "house Indian."
EG: If anything, I told your ghetto mind to get a clue after saying you lied/engaged in spreading disinformation.

M: You basically told me that because I'm Bolivian . . . I could only get to where I am due to affirmative action, because otherwise my intellect is too weak, because I'm Bolivian.
EG: Obviously you are an affirmative action hire, considering your weak academic training and weaker dissertation. True, “your intellect is too weak” but it’s not because you’re Boliviian. It’s a function of your genetic code not your ethnicity, in terms of being Bolivian. If you want to blame a race then transfer that blame to your mother's DNA.

M: Wow. I don't even know here to begin to respond to such a brutally racist attack. Just, wow.
EG: That you are inarticulate is evidenced above by your substandard vocabulary for one that holds himself out to be an academic: In a word, “wow”.

M: And, btw, when I admitted that I made a mistake -- and quickly corrected myself, you saw that as a sign of weakness. So does that mean that you're never willing to change your mind?
EG: You are apparently a pathological liar. You did not change your mind except to the extent that you decided to stop lying before I outed you for the pathological liar and dimwit that you are.

M: A person who's never willing to change their mind or entertain the possibility of being wrong is a person who doesn't really think -- it's a person who believes in dogma. Funny, I thought the Enlightenment was all about ending that. I guess some of us still live in the century or religious wars.
EG: Irrelevant, misstates the facts in evidence and nontopical. Reader, please mark it as exhibit one, admissible evidence that supports my claim that mcentellas is a dimwit.

M: I could go on to dissassemble your ranting (which is what it was). But, frankly, I don't waste my time arguing w/ people who've demonstrated that if push comes to shove they'll place the racism.
EG: Argumentative and conclusionary. However, its grammar should serve as exhibit two of my evidence establishing that mcentellas is a dimwit.

M: I should insist (by my presence) that I deserve a seat at the lunch counter.
EG: At the discourse community’s lunch counter, they do not serve dimwits. Therefore, you do not deserve a seat.

M: My Fulbright wasn't for a Bolivian travelling to the US. It was for an American travelling to Bolivia
EG: Your incompetence leads one to conclude your Fulbright was a handout to an affirmative action candidate travelling to Bolivia to study something that does not field strong candidates.

M: But, yes, I went to a bottom tier state university. And I couldn't afford the application fee to apply to more than one.
EG: You dare to fashion yourself as an academic! Yet, you were only admitted to a bottom tier university in the freezing hinterlands? That establishes conclusively that you are a dimwit. The reader can take judicial notice of the fact that the top US universities waive application fees for those who cannot afford the application fee. In point of fact, El Grindio was a UC Berkeley and UCLA admit by way of applications submitted with such a waiver (based upon his astutely crafted tax return).

The balance of mcentella’s gibberish does not refute that Gamarra should be regarded as a closeted, reactionary, fascist. It only serves to be turned against Gamarra by showing that extending Gamarra’s reactionary rhetoric would authorize massacring the Santa Cruz insurgents the next time they “take over a government building because [they] don’t like government policy”.

Evo has shown he would never do that. Speculation as to what Linares would do is irrelevant and beyond the scope of this debate. In contrast to to what Evo has shown he does when confronted by massive protests, other governments run by reactionaries like Gamarra regard mass protests against global capitalism as intolerable and would use violence to suppress them.

Reactionaries like Cheney, Bush and Gamarra seek entrenchment of the neo-liberal model, they justify suppression of dissidents as a necessary thing. Cheney and Bush believe in the implementation of broad anti-terrorism legislation to suppress mass protest in the interest of security, the hegemony of the neo-liberal model and its bulwark institutions.

We who believe that democracy is best built from the bottom up by educated social movements must arise against Bush’s, Cheney’s and Gamarra’s reactionary rhetoric with forceful argumentation that challenges the unjust application of draconian, reactionary laws or opinions that justify state violence. We must do so in the courts of public opinion, the courtrooms and, if need be, in the streets.

3:15 PM  
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4:03 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

It would be nice to know if anyone at The Democracy Center cares enough to tell us where they (as individuals or as an institution) stands on the kind of racist, closed-minded, ignorant biggotry of Grindio. I know he/she has the right to expression, free speech, etc. But, frankly, I would like to know where Jim Shultz and company stand on this.

The way I see it, this blog is The Democracy Center's "house" (pardon the simplistic analogy). And they've invited the public to engage in debate, which is commendable. But if this were my home, and someone showed that kind of biggotry against one of my guests, I would at the very least say something about it.

So, what do you say, Jim? We've spoken before, and so I have faith in you as a decent human being (I don't share such faith in Grindio). I don't expect you to apologize on Grindio's behalf. But I do think it's fair for me to expect you to not remain silent.

7:11 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

An open letter, of sorts, here:

http://www.mcentellas.com/2007/05/problems_at_the_democracy.html

And, with respect to Jim Schultz and the rest of the staff (who I hope to hear from soon), I will bow out.

8:18 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

grindio..you are so twisted...in many ways you sound so typical of middle and upper class Bolivians, who for generations have done nothing but cut each other down. Seem to think that someone else succeeding is a threat to themselves, and will go out of their way to attack others achievements and sabotage .
Come to think of it, its not only limited to the rich, Evo has made a career out of it.

12:00 AM  
Anonymous Davicho said...

I'm interested to know what indie films you have made or are making, El Grindio. For someone who strive to create such an air of self-importance and lack of time to deal with the poor plebeians on this site, you sure seem to spend a lot of time refuting attacks you so often open yourself up to.

I met a guy traveling in Bolivia not long ago who, like you, was making an indie film, attended Berkeley and UCLA, and struck virtually every one of my friends as a pompous ass. He was seducing women into having sex with them and then making a film about his thrills having meaningless sex with unwitting partners. I really wish I were making this up, but I'm not that funny. He now teaches in Chile: by chance, that wouldn't be you?

And FYI, your claim above that you made a "cursory perusal" is an oxymoron. Check up the word "peruse". Make sure you vocab is up to par with your penchant for verbal acrobatics, big guy. Besos.

12:36 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

^^^ Couldn't be Grindigenous here b/c he would need a semblance of social skills to even approach the opposite sex.

Check out the big brain on Grindio! Damn that boy is straight out of the Rage Against The Machine School of dumb far-leftism. Difference is those guys actually created stuff that was entertaining..

Bet he worships at the feet of Marcos and his Rooster/Penguin.

Gotta love how he frames the debates here, all indignant and angry. A professor who dares question his hero is a "wannabe war criminal". While Evo's role in trying to destabilize several governments, because they dared try to erradicate the main ingredient drug-dealing cartels needed.

"Evo was a marginalized union leader giving voice to the unrepresented marginalized and disenfranchised Bolivian poor."

--LMAO....Yeah right, marginalized... try crossingt the cocaleros in Chapare, and you will end up in a ditch...

3:32 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

"Davicho" writes: "For someone who [STRIVE] to create . . ."

English lessons for those who purport to soon "actually" attend Harvard (yeah, right) while not being able to show an understanding of the basic rules of grammar, including and not limited to subject verb agreement as evidenced above:

cursory: brief
perusal: careful study

My reading rate, when last tested, was 1,000 words a minute when reading for speed. If I recall correctly, I scored an 80% on the comprehension part of that test.

I briefly yet carefully studied X can also be stated by using forms of the terms cursory and perusal. Those terms are not necessarily an oxymoran. Used together, they can communicate a nuanced meaning.

Nuance: fine detail

Davicho, you are probably mcentellas or studying at FIU if at all, as evidenced by your tortured efforts to communicate in standard American English. I do not believe anything you wrote, including that you will "actually" or virtually study at Harvard. However, you should consider a career change to fictive discourse as evidenced by your untrained yet active imagination.

For the record:
El Grindio never stated that he attended Berkeley. The fact is that Berkeley's admission to the department of Rhetoric was declined by El Grindio's intellectual author.

Suggestion: Why don't you, Davicho, comment on the topic of this blog, building democracy in Bolivian, or share your observations regarding "rural Bolivia" instead of on the person of El Grindio. I'll seem less important to you and, sensitive soul that you are, you will feel better. When I want to promote myself-in the character of El Grindio-I will follow standard operating procedure regarding the public: I will post short films on youtube, and similiar content on myspace and facebook. Till then, you do not pass the smell test as to:
1) a source for development funds;
2) credibility as a career coach, acting coach or mentor in any of the crafts regarding moving visual images; or
3) publicity.

Please consider our conversations to have ended on the topic of my film career or myself. In the alternative, please put a minimum of one million dollars in an escrow account and we'll do lunch.

3:44 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Hey attention whore...are you off your meds again?

7:03 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

C'mon, folks, everything about his life is purely imaginary, from his paranoid perceptions of the posters here, to his ephemeral career in the indie movie industry, his grandiosely exaggerated and ever changing educational background, his laughable pretense of legal knowledge, his perception of himself as Jim's "enforcer", and even his ethnic fantasies.

It's almost like kicking a cripple.

As an American, I apologize for the shockingly bad state of the mental health care system in the USA which allows my fellow American Grindio to wander the streets and internet aimlessly, to the detriment of himself and to the annoyance of my Bolivian and Bolivian-American friends.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grindio, since you seem to believe you are an expert in academic analysis, could you enlighten all the readers in this blog by presenting a thorough and comprehensive evaluation of the academic achievements of your beloved and admired Evo? I understand you are a busy guy but don’t worry, in Evo’s case, a few words, maybe a line, should be enough.

9:11 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

Grindio, where do I start…..uuuummmm… I won’t. You are definitely not worth it! Just let me command you to seek urgent help for your out of control inferiority complex.

9:28 PM  
Anonymous Davicho said...

Thanks to the rest of the level-headed posters on here, I didn't even need to respond to you, Grindio. You are obviously intelligent and I can't help but thinking what a shame it is that you could be doing so much good in the world, but instead are crippled by your anger toward others.

I agree with you: enough time has been wasted on our interests in you. Time to get back to Bolivia's real issues. Oh, and for the record, while you will most likely still be a failed soapbox pundit in cyberspace, I'll be at the Kennedy School this Fall educating myself about how to best help developing countries like Bolivia. Stop by and visit sometime.

And yeah, I went to a crappy fifth-tier public high school and damn proud of it. Besos, peluchín.

3:01 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

A little unverified stuff I seem to recall about Peter McFarren: He was involved in running the now-defunct Bolivian Times, an English-Language newspaper. He has deep ties with both the US and Bolivia, and is often talked of in hushed gossipy tones as being CIA-linked, but I personally have no reason to believe that (or disbelieve it, I suppose). He was forced to resign from the AP in the fall of 2000, after all major US news outlets had deferred to his misleading reports on the Water War earlier that year (including chummy references to the minister of government as "Ronny" McLean), when it was discovered that he had personal involvement in privatized water in Bolivia (as a lobbyist). He has a foundation (Quispus) that runs things like the (very good) children's museum in La Paz. He is a photographer, and you will find his name on the back of many post-cards in Bolivia.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Davicho said...

Peter also has a brother, Tim McFarren, who is an Associate Peace Corps Director in Bolivia, in charge of Basic Sanitation programs. Their parents were missionaries (Dutch, I believe) in La Paz.

Also, several reputable sources have told me that Peter interviewed and was somehow involved in the capture of Klaus Barbie, the Butcher of Lyon, while the latter was living in Bolivia until 1983 under somewhat shady auspices.

4:24 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

"Hey attention whore...are you off your meds again?"

Davicho: In your judgment, statements like the above-which could be understood to be directed to mcentellas after he exhibited what appeared to be an emotional breakdown-are the work of "level headed posters"?

Setting aside your judgment or lack thereof, I respond to your comment about how I "could be doing so much good in the world": I am really busy with metaphorical dragons to slay. However, I am willing to send to Jim an invitation directed to myself. It expresses gratitude for helping hundreds of suddenly homeless people (as the result of a flood related to a natural disaster) and invites me to a thank you dinner at the governor's mansion. I only make that offer of proof because it constitutes proof that I have likely done something for the public good.

Now how about sharing with us, within the topics of this blog, some insights regarding rural Bolivia.

5:14 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

oh by the way, i've been banging ho's left and right. It's Grindio Baby!

2:19 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

^^^corrected:


el grindio said

oh by the way, i've been banging my left and right hand. Its Grindio Baby!



ps:

Grindio...this one applies to you.

3:04 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Let's see how many more posts we have to type before EG feels the need to get the last word yet again.

Boli-Nica -

Corgis are adorable, well-behaved and intelligent creatures. Shame on you for that awful comparison. :P

3:43 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Comments posted under Fank_IBC, mcentellas and Boli-Nica may or may not establish causes of action under theories of liability for defamation, libel and/or slander because analysis is required to weigh what is opinion, false statement of fact, freedom of speech and what is done with malice and utter disregard for truth.

One thing is clear: the above post by "Boli-Nica" appears to be an admission of identity theft in that it admits having falsely posted as "El Grindio".

Since I am very busy and the statute of limitations affords plenty of time to meet my burden under rule 11 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and/or similar requirements under the California Code of Civil Procedure before bringing an action against the responsible parties and all parties that ratified their misconduct or acted in concert with them, I will address other more pressing concerns without waiving any rights. This post should be regarded as notice to the above parties to cease from engaging in misconduct and to govern themselves accordingly.

Dated May 18, 2007 and posted from Los Angeles, California by the person known as El Grindio, an intellectual property/identity with a pending copyright.

4:08 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Hopefully your "busy" personal schedule will allow you time to "casually peruse" the relevant statutes on practicing law without a license, EG.

Judges aren't particularly fond of it.

4:42 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Hey Gri-tard....

You are not the only one with a law degree on this board.....

You can file anything you like big-boy, but your yapping is at best a lazy restating of bar review-level materials on libel and civ pro and at worst pseudo-legal ramblings that sound like they come from nutty pro-se litigants you routinely hear in small claims courts.

b/t/w its constitutionally protected speech falling under satire. Probably couldn't even get standing as a real plaintiff. "Grindio" could be anyone or several people just google it. No trademark there or first usage.

And it would be funny to see how a claim based on satirizing some blowhards boasting of quote/unquote "banging" "ho's" would go down.

6:20 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Why are you beating up upon my fellow American, Grindio, Boli-Nica? :P

The "banging hos" part sounds suspiciuosly like the troll that was bothering Publius Pundit a few months ago with tales of his encounters wiht cheap stinky pirate hookers in the East Bloc.

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