Tuesday, June 05, 2007

The Great Venezuelan TV Debate

Here is the debate, a reasonable one, being heard in Latin America these days. In the name of a political vision that is fundamentally about redistributing power to those who have not had it, are some leaders trampling on democracy?

In Venezuela these past few weeks that debate has focused on the decision by the government of President Hugo Chavez to "de-license" a television station (RCTV) that has been a leading critic of the government.

Chavez has become the favorite target of U.S. (and Latin American) conservatives on the attack against the broader leftward shift in Latin American politics -- a substitute who has come just in time to replace an ailing Fidel Castro in that role. Last week on Fox TV, Geraldo Rivera called the President repeatedly elected by strong majorities, a "communist dictator." Former GOP Presidential candidate and televangelist Pat Robertson famously called for the U.S. to assassinate him ("thou shalt not kill", being made an optional commandment).

And to be clear, Chavez asks for it, relishes it. At the U.N. last fall he delivered his famous "I can still smell the sulfur" speech in which he called President Bush the devil. Chavez's rant from the most famous podium in the world may have lifted book sales for Noam Chomsky (whose book Chavez held aloft) but I don't think it did much to advance the interests of either the Venezuelan people, or Chavez. It certainly doomed Venezuela's effort to win a seat on a key UN human rights panel.

I personally have never had much respect in politics for people whose first priority is to get off on their own rhetoric, at the expense of better priorities. It is especially not an attractive quality in presidents. President Bush, for example, clearly didn't do U.S. troops in Iraq any favor when he challenged the insurgency there to "bring it on." A year and hundreds of U.S. deaths later (and thousands or Iraqi deaths) the insurgency issued a communiqué asking, "Have you another challenge?"

The Venezuela RCTV debate, in a nutshell, looks like this.

Critics of Chavez, in Venezuela and elsewhere, have protested loudly, warning that the government's decision to not renew the station's license (as in the U.S., the airwaves are publicly-owned but licensed to commercial networks) is an ominous sign that the Venezuelan President is aiming to silence criticism and dissent. Those critics include everyone from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the Washington Office on Latin America, to the Bush administration. This week Secretary of State Rice publicly confronted the Venezuelan government over the issue at an OAS meeting (Venezuela countered with a call for an investigation into U.S. torture practices at Guantanamo).

The Venezuelan government has countered, not-especially-believably, that this is all really "a simple regulatory matter." A more complete and credible defense of the move comes from the reporter who covered Venezuela for eight years for the Associated Press, Bart Jones. Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Jones noted RCTV's key role in an April 2002 coup attempt against Chavez:

After military rebels overthrew Chavez and he disappeared from public view for two days, RCTV's biased coverage edged fully into sedition. Thousands of Chavez supporters took to the streets to demand his return, but none of that appeared on RCTV or other television stations. RCTV News Director Andres Izarra later testified at National Assembly hearings on the coup attempt that he received an order from superiors at the station: "Zero pro-Chavez, nothing related to Chavez or his supporters…. The idea was to create a climate of transition and to start to promote the dawn of a new country." While the streets of Caracas burned with rage, RCTV ran cartoons, soap operas and old movies such as "Pretty Woman." On April 13, 2002, [RCTV chief] Granier and other media moguls met in the Miraflores palace to pledge support to the country's coup-installed dictator, Pedro Carmona, who had eliminated the Supreme Court, the National Assembly and the Constitution.

The former AP correspondent then adds:

Would a network that aided and abetted a coup against the government be allowed to operate in the United States? The U.S. government probably would have shut down RCTV within five minutes after a failed coup attempt — and thrown its owners in jail. Chavez's government allowed it to continue operating for five years, and then declined to renew its 20-year license to use the public airwaves. It can still broadcast on cable or via satellite dish.

I am a strong believer in free speech. For as long as this Blog has existed we have allowed completely uncensored commentary. Many times I have been encouraged by readers and friends to either edit or eliminate the comments section. "Some of those people are just stupid, with no actual argument at all." And that is the point of free speech, to protect the space for expression even by people who disagree with everything you write or say. That's why the comments section – home to reasoned people and Bozos alike – remains free and uncensored.

Maybe, for his own sake and Venezuela's, Chavez should have had similar tolerance for the station that joined the coup against him.

There is clearly a reasonable debate to be had over the responsibilities that networks are obligated to assume in exchange for one of the most lucrative gifts a government can bestow, use of publicly-owned airwaves (as Jones notes, RCTV is still completely at liberty to broadcast via satellite or cable). In the U.S. too little attention is given to the responsibilities that come with that gift.

On the other hand, in public leadership, image means as much as substance. Chavez might gain far more – domestically and globally – by pointing out how bad the network is and then still letting it have access to the public airwaves. At the end of the day, I still believe that the best way to counter an argument against you is not to censor it, but to engage it and refute it.

69 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...I think this is the first time I agree with you....

6:43 PM  
Anonymous elseñordelosespejos said...

si de imagen se trata, quien sostiene los espejos?

8:56 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

I actually think this is a very sensible and reasoned piece, and agree with a lot of what you wrote.

10:03 AM  
Anonymous Pascal's Revenge said...

Yes, a nice piece. And thank you for bringing back the word "bozo." This is a civil sort of insult that I should add to my repertoir. Has a nice bite without being too nasty.

PR

2:19 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Being on cable or satellite is irrelevant. Venezuelans of means get cable and satellite and they can watch CNN in Espanol, BBC, or Fox news trash the Chavez.

Poor Venezuelans only get what is on airwaves. The government owned 10 out of 13 channels outright. But despite that the 3 private stations got 90 percent of the ratings.
By eliminating the #1 TV station in the country, (like a 44 share of ratings) Chavez effectively ended the choice of many Venezuelans.

But beyond the ratings (which are mainly for awful soap operas and shows with hot women) the fact is that an alternative voice to the official line was shut down. You start with 3 private stations....shut down the most watched. then u efectively coerce the 2nd one.. (Venevision),and that really just leaves one TV station critical of the government.

It is the "effect" of "chilling" free speech, through this action, and silencing a voice of dissent - as well as narrowing the choices of people.

4:56 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

I agree: a good post.
But even better, everyone seems willing to admit it! I feel like giving the whole Blog-from-Bolivia comments community -- the fans-of-Jim faction and the love-to-hate-him faction alike -- a big old cyber-hug. Un abrazote, companeros!

2:02 AM  
Blogger Thomas said...

Have been debating this issue myself the last few weeks, and despite my otherwise favourable stance towards Chavez I would have to agree with Jim and his points. This censorship doesn't do the people of Venezuela nor Chavez himself any favours. More annoyingly all the pro-Chavez organizations here in the UK continue to conveniently ignore the subject and fall into line behind the Chavez arguement of it being a mere administrative decision.

7:05 AM  
Anonymous elseñordelosespejos said...

and... it isn't? I agree this was a great post and its nice to have consensus around these here parts, but we may be overstepping our bounds as observers to speculate on what the Venezuelan government is constitutionally and legally empowered to do.

from what I can determine, not a single legal argument has been made that Hugo was not constitutionally and legally entitled to simply say NO MORE, or as Venezuelans put it, RCTVas! I'm sure we would have heard about it had any regulation actually been violated.

So it is logical to discuss whether the move was bad PR, or bad policy, or an attack on free speech, but it must be kept in mind that Venezuelan law is simple, the government either says yes or no.

It doesn't need to please anyone with its decision or follow any process that Western powers will deem appropriate, this is why sovereign nations have their own laws and regulations.

I personally don't feel that we should project our expectations about the endurance of television media onto other nations. Neither do I believe that a corporation which was granted by a sovereign government a 20 year concession has any expectation of its renewal, nor does it have any right to claim a human right such as free speech in its own defense. It is a corporation, not a human being.

Of course I also personally think this was a revolutionary and excellent move and it is another milestone in the battle between world citizenry and powerful media corporations that manipulate the way we think and feel, but thats just me and is not the core of my argument.

And given the fact that there is such disagreement amongst us about the nature of free speech, free press and its relationship with or inclusion of media corporations, shouldn't we best stick to commond ground?

I think that common ground has to be the law, the constitution, that is how democratic societies function. And for all the fuss these past couple of weeks, Hugo did not break the law with the non-renewal of RCTV.

7:59 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

rock out with your cock out.

12:59 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Obviously the above post is not from El Grindio. It is from an evil-doer (with all due respect to PR, "bozo" is too nice of a term)-acting under color of their "Judge Judy law" understanding of the substantive issues raised by engaging in identity theft and acts of malice such as evidenced above.

Said "comment" is but the most recent of harmful acts directed to El Grindio's intellectual property owner. They constitute:
1) a scheme or artifice to damage the property interest in El Grindio as a brand and identity;
2) overt acts to victimize the alter ego of El Grindio by causing duress and mental anguish;
3) acts of defamation and libel; and
4) efforts to chill the 1st Amendmenment free speech of Bolivian-Americans like the alter ego of El Grindio and those that seek to build a democracy-from the bottom up-in Bolivia; and
5) sabotage of this website's effort to engage the global community in debate regarding the topics set forth in Jim's blog.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

Tell me Jim, since when Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch had become conservative institutions? as you clearly stated:

¨Chavez has become the favorite target of U.S. (and Latin American) conservatives on the attack against the broader leftward shift in Latin American politics -- a substitute who has come just in time to replace an ailing Fidel Castro in that role. …….. …….Critics of Chavez, in Venezuela and elsewhere, have protested loudly, warning that the government's decision to not renew the station's license (as in the U.S., the airwaves are publicly-owned but licensed to commercial networks) is an ominous sign that the Venezuelan President is aiming to silence criticism and dissent. Those critics include everyone from Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the Washington Office on Latin America, to the Bush administration.¨

I was going to give you some slack for your timid; ¨Maybe, for his own sake and Venezuela's, Chavez should have had similar tolerance for the station that joined the coup against him.¨ But you come right back with the bull ¨BIP¨ argument about broadcasting via satellite or cable.

It is funny how you are afraid of the MAS regimen’s zealots and have to watch your back when you want to write your mind when it is not in the same line than the Evo-Chavez Bolivirianism (Read it, Latin Fascism). If this will be Goni’s times, and Goni would be Hugo’s bit (PPPPP), you will be writing about the despotic and totalitarian regime in Venezuela and how his RCTV decision was affecting building democracy from the ground up among their poorest of the poor. Well, you are one of the few that feed the crows; you will have to take it until real Bolivians free the country from the tyrant so you can write your mind in peace again.

Espejitos, you are obviously safe and sound in the US and don’t have to worry for a long time about Chavez actions taking away your liberties; but in Bolivia and action like the one with RCTV is a call to the puppet MAS regime to copy the attitude in order to pay for the petro dollars swarming in, or do you really thing Hugo give’s money away because he is just a nice guy? That hates Americans. You see nothing wrong about violating human rights in Hugo’s move, like freedom of speech, what about item 17 of the Human Right’s Universal Declaration:

All people have the right of property, collectively or individual. Nobody will be arbitrarily private of their property.

Since I must remind you the Hugo’s move included the taking over of RCTV installations and equipment to air his liking of ¨freedom of speech¨.

Never the less, I find important that the fact that the Chavez’s actions are appearing in this Blog, a lot lately, are one more prove for the people that somewhat approves Jim’s actions with the wrongful ideal of him doing something positive for Bolivian democracy; either because they consider themselves socialist, allied with the poor or because their great grand fathers enjoyed ¨native¨ indigenous Bolivians in their intentional process to oppress them for 500 years: that the DC is just plotting to give the result of that oppression, the cocktail of races represented in us Bolivians mestizos, another type of 500 years of oppression.

Buy the way Jim, your clown grindiota isn’t going to appreciate you renamed him Bozzo.

1:48 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Jim:". . .comments section – home to reasoned people and Bozos. . ."

Bozo B.L.:". . . you renamed him Bozzo."

Only a world class Bozo like BL misspells Bozo as "Bozzo" despite Jim and PR spelling it correctly for him. But then he wouldn't be such a Bozo if he could learn to spell terms that define him.

1:12 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Maybe that's because, unlike you, BL's native tongue is Spanish.

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It seems that BL was right about EL, he’s really upset about the bozo thing; but I am more interested in BL´s point:

¨. . . the DC is just plotting to give the result of that oppression, the cocktail of races represented in us Bolivians mestizos, another type of 500 years of oppression.¨

I don’t know if BL is being sarcastic or believes that Bolivian people were oppressed for 500 years, what I clearly see is going to happen to my people is the second part, if MAS can pull it off, the majority mestizo Bolivians being oppressed by a minority quechua-aymara want to be.

I know that the Evo´s Indigenous syndrome had made several believers out there, especially in Europe and the West of the US. But you people must see deeper that Evo´s skin and into his actions and rhetoric. He might be brown, indigenous looking or whatever you like to see, but he is blatantly racist and full of hate, if you only see his complexion, you are just as racist as him when talking about Bolivia.

Asunta.

10:58 AM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

It was absolutely necessary for a fascist dictatorship to destroy freedom of speech. The complete “cubanization” of Venezuela could not be completed as long as there was an important TV station with national coverage reaching the poorest Venezuelans with the truth of what is really going on in that country. Even though the Chavez apologists want to present this anti- democratic action merely as a non-renewal the reality is that its significance is huge and he finally removed his “democratic mask” to present himself as the fascist dictator he is. His megalomaniac ego has been just to big for him to handle leading him to a huge error of calculation. The students protesting week after week know they are next in the totalitarian agenda. Up to now, Chavez had played his cards very well and the high price of oil has allowed him to throw money around his country and others creating a temporary sensation of welfare among the poor but that has begun to turn around just in time. The international supporters he had have now seen what many people who truly love democracy and freedom inside Venezuela have been trying to show for a long time. Chavez is a fascist dictator with a big check book.

3:17 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Readers:
You should never believe any factual assertions by Frank IBC. He makes up facts. It appears he may be a pathological liar who disguises opinions and lies as statements of fact. For example, above and in accord with prior examples, he boldly lies about El Grindio to help save face for his fellow Bozo, BL.

As previously stated, El Grindio's intellectual author/alter ego was born in Bolivia (at an uncle's clinic) in Cochabamba. Thus English is El Grindio's second language (with Italian and French being the subsequent languages studied formally and Portuguese and Japanese being languages studied informally and learned on various vacations abroad).

Regardless of what languages BL tries to speak or write, BL proves his observations are those of a Bozo. This is based on BL showing he is unable to spell Bozo correctly when it is a point he is trying to make and when it is spelled correctly for him by others in preceding posts. As a Bozo, BL is incapable of educated observations including, and limited to, the easiest of learning skills such as how to spell a word like Bozo.

11:05 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Shameful lies, as I said previously.

And as proof that I am Bolivian - go ahead and give me any random sentence in English, and I will instantly translate it into Bolivian. In fact, I have published the world's most famous English-Bolivian dictionary.

And more proof, here you will see me enjoying authentic Bolivian music with my authentic and beautiful wife.

11:23 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Asunta,
I am not bothered by BL's ad hominem attack. I just cannot resist turning it against BL to show the readers that BL is not a competent person and should be disqualified as a credible source of opinions. Source qualification is the starting point of refutation in argumentation.

As to the point you bring up, it is a paranoid fear that can be expressed as follows: Evo has put Bolivia on a slippery slope that will lead to the majority (mestizos) being oppressed by a minority (Aymaras).

That is an unreasonable belief. If it were to start to happen, then the majority can vote for new candidates that will arise in response to that danger. Minority extremists can not oppress majorities (with citizenship) in a democracy because of their inherent voting power.

In a democracy, the danger lies in oppression of minorities by a majority. . . that votes.

Interestingly, here in Los Angeles, we have seen examples of your fear of racist oppression of a majority. African-Americans are accused of oppressing Latino majorities in cities such as Lynwood. That is believed to have developed because not as many of the Latinos are registered voters as are the African-Americans.

However, the above scenario is distinguishable from Bolivia's context because of the large percentage of Latinos who are undocumented and/or unregistered voters or citizens. Since that is not a fact in evidence in Bolivia then that scenario is unlikely to develop.

11:37 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Readers,
justo perez's ("jp") comments can be easily refuted because they are deeply flawed:
1) jp's "freedom of speech" argument is inapplicable because there is no right to broadcast on a specific frequency on the public's airwaves.
2) Using the applicable "freedom of speech" test, RCTV's case (of non-renewal of its license) falls into the unprotected categories of
A) obsenity ( RCTV is charged with airing porn);
B) false commercial speech;
C) incitements to violence; and
D) defamation uttered with actual malice or negligence.

The Venezuelan government's action is valid since:
1) "freedom of speech" protection does not apply;
2) it is rationally related to a substantial government interest (protecting the public from the above harms); and
3) Venezuela is a sovereign that provides "due process" protections to RCTV's interests.

Since RCTV's case is now in the Venezuelan court system for judicial review of RCTV's grievance and subject to Venezuelan judicial standards, justo perez and his fellow interventionists should allow Venezuelans to resolve their problems without outside agitators.

12:06 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

In the above posts alleged to be from myself, which one is not like the others?

Obviously, the 11:23AM post is from the identity thief. What a pathetic life that identity thief must lead to be so obsessed with being a El Grindio wannabe. What a weirdo or weirdos.

12:17 PM  
Anonymous justo perez said...

"English is El Grindio's second language (with Italian and French being the subsequent languages studied formally and Portuguese and Japanese being languages studied informally and learned on various vacations abroad)."

Grindio, what is the correct translation for the words freedom of expression in all these languages you have formally and informally studied?

12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For those of you interested there’s an informed analysis of the RCTV/Freedom of Speech issue below.

Written by people in Venezuela too. Worth a read.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=2059

Jack

1:45 PM  
Anonymous YR-Bolivianisima said...

Grindio,

As far as I recall, none of your arguments has contained solid irrefutable evidence. May we agree that blogs are not academic sources and should not be taken as such, as they are mainly spaces for opinions? I don’t think any of us take the time they should to investigate the truth before planting our stance on the different issues that arise (not even Jim, or those of us who sound as if we had taken all week to investigate particular subject). Hitherto, I’ve seen this has been a space for passionate beliefs, nothing else. I am not in any sense entailing such as bad, I believe we simply contribute to “our” belief in freedom of expression… You and everyone else in here are allowed to argument as desired against or for the themes established by the blog administrator, or any other individual. However, I find it dangerous for people to take any of these opinions (including Jim’s) as absolute truths, and thus stop further inquires into the subjects examined. As far as my experience goes, the truth is composed from truths from multiple counter parts involved in the issue. In other words there is a bit of truth in almost everything said. Hence, it can be inferred that absolute truths must be restricted to science. In society, politics, and economics, spontaneity and chaos rules over laws. We have not yet discovered an eternal state of peace formula, thus no one can accredit their ideology to the perfect path. (Personally, I believe all the current paths—chavez’s, bush’s, communism, neoliberalism, bolivanism—have taken us to constant states of war and chaos)

Now, in my opinion, you have all the right to rant about everybody's opinion, however, it has become rather annoying to see so many refutes in a single blog stream from a person who like all others (including me) covers his/her identity, and just like the rest of us could be lying about his/her nationality, education, age, and even the evidence he/she presents as an absolute truth. But hey! Freedom of expression, allows us to differ… I think the only problem we have with freedom of expression is that it is not bounded to an obligation or duty to tolerate those who dare to differ.

3:58 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

YR-B,
Good post. Thoughtful. Will comment later when and if I have more time.

11:41 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Jack, that "informed" analysis you posted is from Greg Wilpert, who runs or ran that Pro-Chavez website. And that web-site has had a pretty strong relationship with the Venezuelan Information Office, which was a Chavista lobbying office in the US. Given the fact they parrot the Chavez line, you can expect little balance.

To balance this a bit, lets start with the recent Reporters Without Borders report. what are Venezuelan anti-Chavez bloggers saying:

read, The Devil's Excrement ; Caracas Chronicles, <"http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/2007_05_27_daniel-venezuela_archive.html">Venezuelan News And Views And for real hardcore anti-Chavez there is Alex at Venezuela Crisis

5:07 PM  
Anonymous matrixofmirrors said...

Speaking of freedom of the press, the two last videos I linked to at the beginning of this thread have been censored, along with hundreds of others posted by Venezuelan blogger Luigino Bracci by the Google owned youtube.com , after allegations from a Spanish television station that 2 out of the hundreds of videos contained footage excerpted by Lubrio from Venezuelan state TV VTV, which itself had borrowed some footage originally by the Spanish Antena 3.

I wonder if Antena 3 actually had a legal case against VTV for rebroadcasting their footage, or if VTV had permission? Or are they covered by the fair use doctrine which exists in the United States and that youtube should respect?

In any case, don't you think that a youtube vlogger using excerpts of a TV show with excerpts from another TV show should be covered under fair use?

What do all the free speech enthusiasts have to say about this new censorship against a pro Chavez voice on the Internet?

10:13 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

"pro Chavez voice on the Internet?"
Well, in that case whatever is pro Chavez or pro Evo is "covered under fair use".

NOT! If A creates content and X steals it only to have Y then steal it, it does not become Y's property. It is still the stolen property of A. It cannot be used to generate Internet advertising for youtube and Google. The exhibiting rights rest with A.

If anyone wants to give "voice on the Internet" to a pro Chavez or pro Evo point of view, let them communicate what they have to say by creating content.

10:45 PM  
Blogger Boli-Nica said...

Here is the correct link to Venezuelan News And Views Daniel's blog.

9:00 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

I guess it would be silly of me to expect EG to use that same argument, consistently, with regard to the recently expropriated gas fields of Bolivia.

10:45 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Readers:
Below, I "use that same argument, consistently, with regard to the recently expropropriated GAS FIELDS OF BOLIVIA" (emphasis added):

The operative terms are "gas fields of Bolivia" because those gas fields belong to or are "of Bolivia".

If God creates oil fields for Bolivia (A) and rightwingers (X) steal it only to have transnationals (Y) then steal it (by fraudulent transfers), it does not become the transnationals' (Y's) property. It is still the stolen property of Bolivia (A).


Given Frank_IBC's pathologies, it would be silly of me to not expect him to falsely claim the transnationals "created" the "oil fields of Bolivia".

Jim and other nonbelievers or atheists: please feel free to substitute in the term "Bolivia" for the word "God" and my argument becomes more sound.

2:46 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

On Planet Grindio, oil and gas just pump themselves out of the ground and magically deliver themselves to the end user. No need for any fancy drilling machinery, pipelines or technical expertise.

8:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

frank_ibc 6 pts
El grindio 0 pts

5:11 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Functioning as he so often does as the US mission in Cochabamba's mouthpiece/shill on this list, the gringo interventionist known as "frank_ibc" once again changes the subject when he is bereft of a response. His fellow corporate imperialism lackey's (if not his own covert post's) scorekeeping is as much of a joke as "frank_ibc"'s inability to engage in argumentative discourse.

1:33 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

GAME OVER

El Grindio: 100 pts

frank_ibc/"Rich" & CIA operatives@US Mission on Avenida America in Cochabamba : -10pts

3:11 AM  
Anonymous matrixofmirrors said...

hmm, well Grindio I do see your points, and maybe I should have clarified somewhat. what I see as the gross attack on free speech is the fact that hundreds of videos uploaded by this Venezuelan blogger and others were removed and banned from the youtube website, not only the two or three that specifically contained clips of Antena 3 content.

I'm not familiar with google/youtubes censorhip policies nor am I very interested, the fact that they allow China to censor the Internets is enough for me. fortunately literally dozens of video content distribution websites are popping up and we don't need to rely on Google's corporate promise to 'not be evil'.

but in addition to the overreaction and unfair censorship, the fact is that many if not most of those videos WERE self created content, videos taken of different scenes of Venezuelan reality, including rallies, protests, workshops, and just regular people on the street.

true, many were just uploads of different TV station programming, such as the clips from Venezuelan state TV which happened to contain clips of Spanish TV.

but these clips contain also written and spoken commentary which adds value to the content, and I believe is invaluable to aid in our foreign understanding of the Venezuelan situation.

so I agree by your logic that the specific videos which pirated Spanish TV content may be questionable by the exact interpretation of international law, but not the rest of the videos.

however, I disagree that excerpting television content and adding one's own commentary and views is not equal to creating content. this whole RCTV issue has really become a litmus test for different ways of viewing the broadcast media, a line which I think is generational as much as political.

if one corporation, no matter how representative, how progressive, or how reactionary, has the ability to broadcast its signal to millions of people, I think that every one of those millions must equally have some right to not only watch, but also rebroadcast in some fashion and with their own modifications, the same signal.

now that was starting to bring me into a schpiel about open source software, so I guess its time to stop writing.

by the way, Frank, I don't know how you made that connection between gas and intellectual property "wrongs", but more power to you if it makes sense to yourself. Grindio, I find myself agreeing with you much of the time but I do have to agree with the poster above that we don't necessarily need such heavy posting from only one person.

you're apparently knee jerk reactions to every provocation from the known right wingers on this site detract in my opinion from the interesting conversations that could be had, and could unwittingly even be assisting those who only post on this blog in order to confuse and disinform

9:48 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

matrixofmirrors wrote:
". . . reactions to every provocation from the known right wingers on this site detract in my opinion from the interesting conversations that could be had, and could unwittingly even be assisting those who only post on this blog in order to confuse and disinform."

You're right; I'm wrong. I withdraw my last two comments since "less is more".

As to your thoughtful observations on what you perceive constitutes a "gross attack on free speech", I reserve my comments for a more current thread so we may benefit from the insights of others (and they benefit from your thoughts) instead of limiting our discussion to what this stale-dated thread might generate.

Saludos,
El Grindio

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