Sunday, August 26, 2007

'Capitolism' Bolivia Style

Readers:

As we reported earlier, Bolivia's politics have been tossed into a new crisis over an issue that few expected to inspire such heat and conflict a year ago – a proposal to move the Legislative and Presidential capital of Bolivia from La Paz to the city of Sucre (already the country's judicial capital). As noted earlier, the fight over moving the capital has led to a shutdown (presumably temporary) of the Constituent Assembly, meeting in Sucre to finalize a new national constitution.

Here is the latest installment in The Democracy Center's continuing on-the-ground reports from Sucre, from Lily Whitesell, Aldo Orellana and Leny Olivera. We will continue our coverage here on this issue in the coming weeks and continue to provide our comments section as an uncensored space for the exchange of views on these important events.

Jim Shultz


The Capital Conflict

Hunger strikes, street protests, and even symbolic crucifixions in the main plaza have taken place in Sucre over the Capitalia issue throughout the last month. Last week, however, the protests got violent. Protesters attacked the headquarters of the State radio station. There were violent conflicts between Assembly representatives and between the police and protesters. Some indigenous Assembly representatives reported that they were afraid to leave their homes. The Constituent Assembly was shut down entirely. Yesterday, an attempt at reconciliation by the federal government’s ombudsman (“Defender of the People”) failed. Protests, strikes, and demonstrations are planned for next week all over the country.

All of this began over the location of Bolivia’s legislative and executive branches. Currently, the Congress and Executive Powers have their seat in the city of La Paz, but the Judicial Branch and constitutional capital of the country is Sucre. The pro-Capitalia protesters want the legislative and executive branches of government be moved to Sucre in the new Constitution.

But last Wednesday, a resolution introduced by the Assembly leadership to take the proposal for Capitalia out of Assembly debate was passed in a full-Assembly plenary session. The reason given for the resolution was that Capitalia was an unnecessarily divisive – and inconsequential – proposal. It is doubtful that the Assembly leadership realized how significant that proposal would become.

Sucre and La Paz

Sucre and La Paz are remarkably different cities, though they share the distinction of hosting Bolivia’s federal political powers and being considered capitals of the country.

Sucre was originally founded to be near the silver mining boomtown of Potosi, which was the center of the Spanish colonial economy. The wealthy inhabitants of Sucre relied heavily on the riches of Potosi for their affluence and political power. When Bolivia declared independence from Spain in 1825, Sucre was a clear choice for the capital, having been a political center of the Spanish colony.

In more recent years, Sucre has been known for its white colonial architecture, tourists, and its comfortable climate. It maintains a socially conservative and traditional society, particularly in the old colonial section in the center of the city. Like many other Bolivian cities, the periphery of Sucre stretches out into poorer, more indigenous neighborhoods, many of which have been built in recent years as people have been drawn to the city from surrounding rural areas.

More than 700 kilometers (435 miles) northwest of Sucre, in full Andean highlands, the city of La Paz tumbles down into a river valley from the edge of the altiplano. La Paz is a very different city – politically, geographically, and socially. At 3,640 meters about sea level, it is a colder, bustling, busy metropolitan city whose underlying currents are far less socially conservative than Sucre. Paceños also voted overwhelmingly for Morales in the 2005 election and the city continues to be one of his largest strongholds of support.

A defining feature of La Paz’s political landscape is El Alto, the city that overlooks the La Paz river valley on the vast plains of the altiplano. El Alto is far less wealthy than its sister city, but very politically active and not known for backing down. It played a key role in many of the social conflicts in the years leading up to the 2005 election through unyielding blockades and strikes. When the proposal to move the Executive and Legislative Powers was first introduced in July, two million people from La Paz and El Alto participated in a march to keep them there, according to organizers and local newspapers.

Why Are There Two Capitals Anyway?

At the end of the nineteenth century, the peak of Bolivia’s silver boom in the southern Potosi had long passed, and the decline was hitting dramatic new lows. At the same time, tin mining in western La Paz was on the rise. That meant a shift in the internal economic and political power dynamics of the country. That shift led to a showdown in 1898 between the nouveau riche Western Liberals of La Paz and the Southern Conservatives of Potosi and Sucre.

The Federal Civil War between these two forces lasted from 1898 to 1899. The Western Liberals’ final victory was in a large part due to the support of Pablo Zarate Willka, the leader of the fierce Aymara people of Bolivia’s highlands. The Aymara agreed to support the Liberals’ cause in exchange for recognition of their lands and self-governance. In the end, the Liberals of La Paz won, but betrayed Zarate Willka and his people when the Aymara leader was taken into custody and shot after the war. But the Liberals had won – the executive and legislative branches of government were moved from Sucre to La Paz, where they have remained to this day.

Who Supports the Move and Why?

The Capitalia manifestations are not your typical Bolivian protest. On Bolivia’s Independence Day, we witnessed pro-Sucre and pro-Capitalia chants in the main plaza turn into anti-Evo slogans. Anti-indigenous and racist epithets were heard from the back of the crowd. Last week, according to local media, the Capitalia chants were alternated with others in favor of departmental autonomy and even racist statements against Silvia Lazarte, the president of the Constituent Assembly.

Capitalia’s most radical supporters are the conservative elite of Sucre, who have bristled at hosting the Constituent Assembly’s indigenous representatives for the last year. To them, the passage of last Wednesday’s resolution showed real evidence that the Constituent Assembly leadership would never take their demands and desires seriously.

Sucre’s residents as a whole also support the move of the capital from La Paz, though many condemn the violence of last week’s protests. Chuquisaca, the department that contains the city of Sucre, is the second poorest in Bolivia, and many residents see a move of the executive and legislative branches as a chance for real development of the region. Sucreños also hold a long-standing, deep grudge over the loss of those two powers like that of Bolivia’s loss of sea access to Chile more than 100 years ago.

Outside the department, the Capitalia issue’s strongest supporters include PODEMOS Assembly representatives and the political leaders of the media luna, the departments that voted for greater departmental autonomy from the national government – particularly those from Santa Cruz. For those in opposition to the current administration, supporting the fight for Capitalia is a strategic move, in several ways.

First, Sucre represents PODEMOS’ best chance for expanding their influence and shifting the balance of the country. Currently, four of Bolivia’s nine departments have voted for greater autonomy from the national government. If the media luna could extend their influence to another department, they could claim a majority of departmental backing. The Capitalia issue has tapped into deep departmental pride and by supporting that issue, PODEMOS may be winning new support in Chuquisaca.

It also reads like a classic play to distract and divert attention away from the other debates of the Constituent Assembly. A recent UN study showed that 74% of the public would support a new Constitution if it has the support of Bolivia’s political leaders. [Here is a link to a recent report on the topic from the Andean Information Network.] The Assembly’s goals do appeal to a large segment of the population. If it can achieve them on some scale, the Constituent Assembly will be a true win for the social movements that led the demand for it and a political win for MAS.

However, if the Assembly fails or is shut down, PODEMOS can undercut MAS' most widely used slogan, "Evo cumple" - the equivalent of "Evo gets the job done." They would be able to claim that this administration has seen no less conflict than the others that came before it, and further erode Evo's support among Bolivia's middle class and the "I just want to work" sector.

Perhaps the current shutdown is only a preview of things to come. Perhaps the Constituent Assembly will never reopen. There are, no doubt, many PODEMOS Assembly representatives who would like nothing better. After all, many of the proposals being debated in the Constituent Assembly would be real changes to a system that has benefited PODEMOS’ leaders and supporters for generations – and many of those changes would directly challenge the economic and political power they hold.

However, as much as Capitalia’s most radical supporters might like to shut down the Assembly, PODEMOS is also invested in the Constituent Assembly’s process. The Constituent Assembly represents a real, nearly guaranteed chance for the media luna to get departmental autonomy.

Perhaps they have another idea in mind in supporting Sucre as the full Capital of Bolivia. After all, having the full capital located in Sucre would, in fact, benefit the media luna a great deal politically. As mentioned above, Sucre is geographically and politically neutral, if not right-leaning – a stark contrast to the militant social movements of La Paz who have been able to leverage political power because of their proximity to the executive and legislative branches of government. And if Sucre is PODEMOS’ best chance for recruiting another department into voting for greater autonomy from the government and shifting the balance of power, in their eyes, it would be great a place to base Bolivia’s political operations.

Autonomy is clearly PODEMOS’ most important issue, and they have done everything to assure that it will be included in the final Constitution. But if the Constituent Assembly is able to continue despite the conflicts that embroil it today, PODEMOS would be looking at a bargaining table where the other side has a lot of requests to make. Perhaps they’re betting they have a chance to get a lot more than just autonomy out of the Constituent Assembly.

On the other side of the aisle, the MAS leadership would do well to think of one of the lessons of pre-Morales social movement marches – the quickest and easiest way to radicalize a group of people is for those in power to fold their ears and close off debate, particularly on an issue that can be taken personally. As trivial as a move of Bolivia’s capital may seem on the surface, there is clearly a lot more depth to it than they first presumed. They may have lost a great deal more than they suspected by not taking the proposal more seriously.

The demonstrations planned on both sides for next week show that this debate is far from over. However, time is ticking. It took representatives from August through December of last year to agree on the procedural rules. In order to get the Constituent Assembly out this conflict, back up and running, and through the settlement commission and the plenary session before December 14, there will need to be some extraordinary effort and compromise – fast.

Written by Lily Whitesell, Aldo Orellana and Leny Olivera

48 Comments:

Blogger mcentellas said...

I completely agree that moving the constitution is unnecessary, especially given the cost. And of course this issue is being used for political purposes (aren't all issues?).

But ... a constituent assembly is supposed to open all matters up for debate. The capital issue has been in the minds of many in Sucre for years. It was revived in 2002 when Carlos Mesa (when campaigning for the vice presidency under the MNR banner) promised to move the capital back to Sucre. Is it any wonder that the issue would make its way into the assembly? If this issue is dismissed as irrelevant, on what basis can other issues be dismissed?

I've always though the CA was a pandora's box that could implode. I hope it doesn't happen.

Anyhow, this is a pretty good post. Not sure what the picture has to do w/ anything. But still, a good overview of an issue that has been brewing for the better part of a year.

11:16 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

We will continue our coverage here on this issue in the coming weeks and continue to provide our comments section as an uncensored space for the exchange of views on these important events.

I don't think anyone's accused DC of censoring comments. But it would be a breath of fresh air if you stopped treating the blog as a place for "installments" of "coverage" and instead engaged in actual conversations w/ your readers.

In my opinion, a democratic forum is one in which speakers can present their ideas, then respond to comments, critiques, questions. To just give a speech or a rundown of talking points, then turn around and walk away, satisfied that the audience can "talk amongst themselves" is rather odd for an NGO that believes in grass roots democracy. It's certainly not the liberation theology model I grew up on.

Jim (et al): Don't just speak AT your audience, engage in a conversation w/ them. I think you'll find that many of your harsher critics will respect you more for that.

9:55 AM  
Anonymous b-dogg said...

mcentellas,
if you do not like the blog, go to another one. blogs are the property of their creators and they can run them as they see fit. having jim respond to comments left on his blog is a) a waste of time and b) probably not going to change any of the minds of the dense people who post on this space!! people will continue to call him an apologist for the "neo-facist" indigenous groups who have the audacity to call for the creation of a "new state" since they have had the short end of the stick for over 500 years all over latin america. the problem for the mestizo political elite in bolivia is that indigenous people make up such a large percentage of the population. in colombia, nicaragua, panama, and venezuela ethnically defined autonomy regimes exist, because indigenous people make up such a small % of the populations there and therefore do not present a theat to the traditional views of national identity (ie. mesitzaje culture) that is not the case in bolivia. the mestizo politial elite has a lot to lose. now it is probably not hard to see that i support a redistribution of the wealth in bolivia and intercultural policies which would place indigenous culture on the same level as a mestizo one and not below it. but as a white US citizen i must be willing to voice my opinion just as vociferously when it comes to discussing and doing something about the disadvantages black US americans and latinos face in this country due to hundreds of years of marginalization, and i do. becuase right is right and wrong is wrong. so take my comments however you will, and much love to everyone on this blog.
peace
b-dogg

3:41 PM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

In effect, comparing to the last 2 posts, this one is a little better, just a little. It is interesting and sad at the same time, to see how for the DC zealots, the same people that just a couple of years ago were the freedom fighters, the poorest of the poor, the people taking over the streets fighting for democracy; today are the people from the right wing conservatives of the Sucrean elite or the PODEMOS partisans. It must be really tough for Jim to be in the other side of the trenches this time, perhaps that is why he is being so distant this last months.
It is pitiful in reality, since the epithets, insults, roadblocks techniques and even the way these people protesting the illegal and totalitarian decision of the masist branch in the constituent suffered from police repression is the same the democracy center preached and romanticize in the pre Evo era. As a matter of fact, some of them are the same people that protested and paralyzed the country in favor of Evo’s ideals.
I seriously doubt that many, perhaps the hard core Sucrenses, believed that this changing of the capital issue was for real. It is in effect the very smart matter the democracy fighter were able to cash in due to the incapability of the mazist to negotiate, since being in power makes them feel they have the most to loose. In effect, the regimens zealots, impersonated as constituents, tasted the same medicine they gave Goni and company and committed the same totalitarian mistakes, as clearly explained by the current post, “On the other side of the aisle, the MAS leadership would do well to think of one of the lessons of pre-Morales social movement marches – the quickest and easiest way to radicalize a group of people is for those in power to fold their ears and close off debate, particularly on an issue that can be taken personally.” Way to go stooges, you finally used your brains.
As I mentioned several times before, this is not something most mazist can control, since it is not in their experience, and those, capability; to obtain anything by negotiation but by force since where most of they come from, they word is the rule of the land; no precisely a way to build democracy from the ground up.

4:21 PM  
Blogger Tambopaxi said...

OK, this is better post, or more related to reality, at any rate, in that it acknowledges that there is indeed a serious issue in Sucre.

The analysis of possible why's and wherefores of the Sucre issue is broad, although I don't know enough about Bolivia to opine that it's comprehensive.

I think the comments of BL and b-dogg are interesting in their references to inter-ethnic/inter-regional conflict.

Their comments, direct and otherwise, make it clear that both sides of the process (that is, mazists, non-mazists, in the broadest senses) see it as some sort of payback process for white sins against the Indians over the last 500 years.

While there is a great deal of validity to the argument that the Indians were oppressed over those years, b-dogg and those sharing that view should ask themselves whether they really believe that the media luna folks and their allies are going say, hey we apologize for the last 500 years and you guys (the Indians) can have it your way for the next 500.

I know, I know, I'm way overstating things, but the point is that (my perception, anyway) is that the media lunites seem more and more willing to secede rather than accede to what they perceive as a "payback" scenario of the sort to which b-dogg alludes.

Obviously, secession and/or civil war are not realistic options (I hope, anyway), so what kind of accomodations/compromises might be reached aside from revanchism or some sort of separation? Just as important, is Morales capable of rising above this and leading the country toward compromise?

6:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For 'Mcentellas" above: Has it occurred to you that, perhaps, the people who write this Blog have better things to do with their time then respond to anonymous comments on a Blog? Do readers a favor and stop using up airspace complaining that the Center won't respond to every thing you feel like posting.

Geeze, what a whiner.

7:43 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

You're right, maybe I should just move on and ignore this blog. But I've actually interacted w/ Jim (on email and in an interview we both did together along w/ Jef Sachs for PRI) for several years now. So I think this site is useful, valuable, and can be a great resource--not just for Bolivians, but for Americans (and others) as well.

Look, I know that Jim et al can write whatever they want. I don't think I'm trying to censor them. And I don't think of myself as "dense" and ideologically rigid.

My point is that a blog SHOULD be a forum for discussion, but not just w/in the audience. I don't think that responding to the very few comments on this blog is that much of an effort. There are at most 4-5 comments per day, on average. That's a very small vocal audience. This is an NGO funded to advocate and education these issues. So it's not wasting DC's time to answer questions comments ... it's the MISSION of DC!!

I teach full time at a liberal arts college, deal w/ my students' emails & other bureaucratic business of faculty life (which will increase as I take over the coordinatorship of our Latin American studies program in a few days), work on my research & professional publishing, and still manage to answer questions and respond to comments on my little blog. So why can't the authors respond to comments?

Frankly, I've become disappointed in this blog's basic hierarchical model. So, perhaps I should move on. Perhaps I should just strike DC as a resource for information on Bolivia and move on. Because it seems I'm being told that "if you don't like it, leave." Well, I'm not a Bushite, so I won't use that kind of logic.

But one has to wonder: Why do Jim et al think responding to their audience (both friends an foe) is not necessary? Isn't that precisely why we criticize the Bush administration? For not being more open and willing to engage their critics? All I'm asking for is that Jim et al treat their audience w/ the respect of equals. Not only do I not think that's too much to ask, I also think it's the kind of values Jim and the DC stand for.

Finally, I find it ironic that an anonymous poster criticizes me when I've never posted as anonymous.

8:51 PM  
Anonymous don said...

mcentelles, you're too polite in your response to your attackers. From a motivational standpoint, who would care and or know if the bloggers have time or not? Who would know other than the bloggers themselves? So my guess is your attackers are either DC people or their sycophants.
In any case, you have a legitimate request, not unreasonable. In fact a little decentralization would enhance the value of the blog, kinda like the king mingling with his subjects. A little one on one if you will.
When you think about it, what you are asking is peanuts compared to one of one of those dogging you, b-dogg who wants to redistribute Bolivia's wealth. He just says that, like he is so generous, benevolent and kind, like another Chavez, Stalin or Pol Pot.
My apologies for deviating from the information in todays blog. But I do not believe persons who make legitimate comments /requests deserve to be pummeled verbally.

12:10 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I would actually like to know more about DC itself. I've been reading this blog for years, but I don't recall any reporting on the DC's projects themselves. I know their mission is twofold: to mix their "investigative reporting" (which is rather good, actually) w/ "grass roots" democracy work.

If all this is is an online newsmagazine, then that's fine. I guess there's always room for another in the increasingly crowded news market. But if they do democracy advocacy or training, it'd be nice to hear about it.

Do they train neighborhood leaders? Do they have workshops on specific issues or topics? If so, where? Which ones have been successful? It's clear that DC is well financed (Jim himself has made that clear before, since he sends his kids to the most expensive private school in Cochabamba). So I'm curious to know what else it does. I'd like to think that DC's backers are doing more than paying for the blog of an expat & his other American friends.

As other blogging advocacy sites grow (specifically Global Voices), the intrinsic value of an American think tank publishing about Bolivia for an American audience starts to diminish, I think. Where are the Bolivian voices? Why are they not linked to here? It's one thing to interview a Bolivia, and write about it. It's another to encourage her to write herself.

8:44 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

One final, short question. Does DC publish in Bolivia in Spanish? My wife & I have never hear of DC outside this website (we're both academics who study Bolivia, she's an anthropologist). I publish in La Razón (it's Tiempo Político supplement) ocassionally specifically to engage in BOLIVIAN (not just AMERICAN) discourse. And I'm in regular contact w/ ILDIS (which is funded by the German Social Democratic Party). While I think it's important to write ABOUT Bolivia for an American audience, I think it's more important (especially for well funded NGOs) to engage WITH Bolivia in a more direct level.

Sorry, but having grown up in Santa Cruz watching (well-meaning) American missionaries living in their private compounds, and rarely (if ever!) interacting with the "natives" I have a sore spot on this issue.

9:06 AM  
Anonymous don said...

Mcentillas, your probing questions got me wondering about the funding sources for the Democracy Center. On its website it says that the support for The Center's investigation and publishing work related to Bolivia and Latin America comes from THE OPEN SOCIETY INSTITUTE. The OSI is a foundation created by the international billionaire financier George Soros, its founder and Chairman. George Soros is a well known financier of left wing socialist organizations.
This is also interesting: Between 1998 and 2003, OSI received more than $30 million from U.S. government agencies. Various State Department documents indicate that OSI has been paid to run what the Department describes as "democratization programs" in a number of countries………….
So basically it looks like Jim’s puppet master is socialist billionaire George Soros. Personally, it comes as no big surprise. We all have to eat.

1:14 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I don't think Jim is anyone's puppet. And I'm well aware of Soros' controverial image. But he is doing a lot of good work in pro-democratic programs around the world (even if he got rich of crashing many Eastern European economis shortly after the collapse of communism).

I'm sure DC has more than adequate funding (especially if Jim can fly to Montenegro for conferences). I guess I'm not concerned w/ its ideological motives (USAID has its ideological motives, too). I'm just wondering what it is that DC actually *DOES* in promoting Bolivian democracy.

I've read reports such as DC's team "covering" the constituent assembly. But that's just journalism, that's not democracy promotion. A host of "alternative" news sources (hell, look at Bolivia's vibrant Indymedia community!) are doing the same. But what of DC's other mission: I'd really be fascinated to read about its actual programs on the ground, programs involving actual Bolivian staff & participants, that goes towards "building grass roots democracy".

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really did laugh out loud at the proclamation above that IT IS THE MISSION of the Democracy Center to respond to the comments posted here.

I read this Blog but rarely comment, partly because the comments section is home to a conversation among the same four or five people who are just in love with the idea that someone might actually read them if they post here.

If you think that it is the purpose of any organization to waste its time engaging folks like this, then you need to get a grip on reality. It looks to me like you had better get out of academia for a while and get a real job.

Really sir or madam, you aren´t nearly as important as you seem to have convinced yourself you are.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous don said...

Like I said, either a DC person or one of their sycophants, or one other guess, it may be George himself.

6:02 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I never said it was DC's mission to respond to me. I mentioned that it would be a good idea for this blog to have their staff's participation.

But it is DC's mission to work on grass roots democracy promotion in Bolivia. Read their mission statement on this site. Here it is, next to Jim's picture:

The Democracy Center, based in Cochabamba Bolivia and San Francisco California, works globally to advance human rights through a combination of investigation and reporting, training citizens in the art of public advocacy, and organizing international citizen campaigns.

I merely mentioned that I would like to hear about it. I'm genuinely curious, as someone who has spent most of his processional career on the question of Bolivia's democracy.

6:39 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. But let's look at this page:

http://democracyctr.org/espanol/volunteer_esp.htm

It's in English, not Spanish. I've no idea (from that page) if any Bolivians have worked at the Democracy Center now or in the past. It's clear that at least three Americans have. And that's fine. But I don't know how this is plugged into giving Bolivians agency in their own country. Many other NGOs, for example, make sure to have "parity" in their staff (for every foreign national, one Bolivian national).

I'm sure that DC puts on programs in Cochabamba. After all, they're based there. They're knowledgeable about issues in Cochabamba (and Bolivia more broadly). I'd genuinely like to read about what has happened at these events. Have they had programs to educate community leaders? If so, where they successful? What can other NGOs learn from the DC model? Where there setbacks? That could help other NGOs as well.

I guess that, after a few years of following this site, I'm just wondering what the "Bolivia" component of DC is. Because it seems that this blog implies that DC is doing stuff in Bolivia. I'd like to learn about it.

6:47 PM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

Of course, one could also read the mission statement as meaning that it's DC's mission to educate citizens (in a global sense) about social issues and prepare them for advocacy about international campaigns. That's actually quite noble.

So is the mission to allow American young idealistic college grads to come to Cochabamba and live (w/ no funding, so I suppose they must have other sources of income to work for free for six months, so these are clearly not working class young Americans) so they can learn about these issues in a Bolivian context? If so, that just seems like a summer/semester study abroad, immersion, or internship program for American youth in Bolivia. If that's the case, then that's fine, too. My school certainly promotes study abroad (over 50% of our students take advantage of that opportunity). But then it's not really "about" Bolivia, but about those students and them getting to experience poverty first-hand, etc. It's what some anthropologists have called "poverty tourism". Those young American can then take their learning experience (it certainly will look great on a grad school application essay) and apply it later in life. But what do everyday Bolivians get out of it?

And here I am asking this as a Bolivian. Like I said, I grew up watching American missionaries in Santa Cruz. I even (briefly) took piano lessons from a woman whose sole "mission" was to teach piano to the missionary kids. That was her mission, for which some churches in the US spent lots of money to keep her in a nice home, well paid. She didn't even speak Spanish. I stopped taking lessons from her because I stole money from her. How? She was so clueless about Bolivia that she didn't know hyperinflation was setting in. Since I paid her in pesos (the pre-1985 currency), I just pocketed the rest for two lessons, until I got caught. But I'm sure back home all her missionary friends thought it was wonderful that she went to Bolivia to teach piano.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous sucker said...

At the risk of agreeing with Miguel, I'd like to know more as well. Not that we need constant interaction and response to every comment, but why not once in a while throw us a bone?

Even if Jim is too busy, I think the interns could help to enliven the discussion here and give us a glimpse into what they are doing in Bolivia. If there's much more than just writing papers and articles, we would all understand the limits on time (and patience) given the amount of self-masturbatory rhetoric which I and others post here.

And if the DC IS mostly dedicated to producing literature, it is mind boggling why they aren't itching to discuss their writing with us.

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the comment above. Folks here are getting silly. mcentellas, three comments every half hour about the blogger instead of the issues borders on obesessive. Unless your goal is to gum up the discussion on issues and lead people away, that you are accomplishing I suppose.

12:06 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

You're right, I apologize for posting so frequently. But I'm not trying to only make adhominem attacks. And I am genuinely curious to learn more about what DC does as an NGO beyond just publishing a blog in English.

8:12 AM  
Blogger Dan said...

I'm going to have to go with the couple anonymous posters here (having already been called a sycophant in this space in the past and survived, I feel prepared to brave the Wrath of Don here). I appreciate that the DC has added this blog to their other work -- mainly, at least originally as I perceived it, as a way for Jim to tell folks back home, many of whom have followed and supported his work since the DC was in California and others whose interest was peaked after the Water War, about life and events in Bolivia - not as a central news source, a space for exhaustive analysis of all issues, and definitely not as the principle work of the DC.

Frankly, the day the staff at the DC starts spending their time responding to the half-dozen people here who post most often (and I know I've been among this group on and off) is the day I will add my voice to those who question whether the center is using its funding responsibly. I've seen other blogs become tails that wag dogs, and I for one am glad that hasn't yet happened here.

That said, I have found the conversations here worthwhile enough (without ongoing input from the DC staff) that I thought it worth throwing my two cents in here, rather than doing what I've so often done when checking the comments here in recent months, which has been to sigh and log off.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I say Evito, screw them both and move everything where it should be Cochabamba! it's strategically placed and theres plenty of space as opposed to Sucre or La Paz.

6:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I appreciate that the DC has added this blog to their other work

Ah, but do we even know what any of that "other wok" is? Seems odd that an international, well-funded NGO wouldn't want to once in a while tell its reader (or donors?) what its projects are.

6:46 PM  
Blogger Dan said...

It seems pretty clear to me from reading this blog that it has always been about Bolivia and other events in the world as seen from the perspective of an American living in Bolivia. The Democracy Center has newsletters, which I also receive and which are available on this website, explaining more about their other projects. The website seems to explain pretty well a number of projects, campaigns, publications, as well as bios of past and present staff and explanations of past and present funding sources. The only thing that is not clear to me is what else people can realistically expect of the website and blog of an organization whose principal work is not to run a website and blog.

Perhaps that's the problem here: because people know the DC through the blog, they identify it fully with the blog - not unlike the three blind men trying to describe the elephant.

One thing I cannot find on the website - and would not expect to find on a website - is a complete detail of the center's budget and expenditures. I wonder, then, how some of the same people who don't seem capable of the few mouse clicks necessary to read about many aspects of the center's work can then also be so confident about the immense amounts of funding the center must receive, Jim's 6-figure salary, etc. These are the kinds of conjecture that set my eyes rolling.

Bueno, that and silly phrases like "maszis" and other poorly executed smack-talking. Ugh. Yawn. Ciao.

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Wow. I guess this has gotten crazy.

One minor point ... I'm sure many of the people using the term "mazist" are using it derrogatively. But ... Bolivians regularly use "masista" to refer to someone from MAS (similarly, "adenista" for ADN, "emenerrista" for MNR, "mirista" MIR, etc.). So it's possible that "mazist" is meant as the translation of the Spanish "masista" (meaning: "someone from MAS").

BTW, if anyone's interested, Alvaro Garcia Linera (Bolivia's VP) will be speaking at Cornell University on September 3rd. I believe it will also be webcast.

http://www.einaudi.cornell.edu/latinamerica/conference/garcialinera/index.asp

I thought it'd be useful to link to other sources on a Bolivia discussion forum (which, I'm learning, is what this blog is).

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