Friday, May 09, 2008

And Next for Bolivia, Elections Once More!

The price of bread is rising faster than yeast – sixty cents for a morning maraqueta now in Cochabamba. The national government is talking about a multi-million stock buyout of the national telecommunications company (Entel). And the nation is divided after a lopsided vote Sunday in Santa Cruz on the issue of autonomy.

But now Bolivia's political leaders have a new plan – elections once more. If the political promises made in La Paz yesterday are kept, sometime around August Bolivians will go back to the polls nationwide to decide whether to boot the President, Vice-President and nine regional Governors from office.

Welcome to high stakes political poker, Bolivian style.

Putting all the Chips on a Slanted Table

The odd path toward a national recall vote of the country's top eleven elected officials began in the immediate aftermath of the January 2007 political violence that left three men dead in Cochabamba. President Morales, in a political duel with Cochabamba Governor Manfred Reyes Villa, publicly endorsed a national recall vote on he and his Vice President along with the governors.

But when the details of his proposal were announced, they came with a twist. Rather than each of the officials having their political fate sealed by a straight up majority vote, Morales declared that the recall should be based on the vote that each official won office with in December 2005.

Translated into numbers, that means that to be removed from office, the vote against each would have to surpass both the percentage of the vote won in 2005 and the raw vote total (I'll get to the details of what that means in just a bit). Translated into politics, that means that Morales, who won election with almost 54% of the vote, will be much tougher to toss from office than his Governor rivals, none of whom passed 50% in 2005. Not a bad advantage, if you are Evo and Alvaro.

That plan, however, languished in the Bolivian Congress until yesterday, when it shot out of the Senate on a move spearheaded by the opposition. Then Evo announced to much surprise that he would approve the recall vote legislation and was ready for an election rumble with his adversaries. "I am very content that the law that was sleeping in the Senate has been approved," said Morales. "This completes one of my dreams and the request of the people."

Once approval of the law becomes official, national election authorities will have 90 days to organize the vote.

Reaction from Around the Political Poker Table

The other main players at the recall table, the Governors, were quick to signal their support for the vote, but not without noting their disadvantage. Cochabamba's Governor, Reyes Villa, was in the U.S. and told CNN that he supported the vote even though the rules weren't equal for all the officials. Cochabamba's once-Mayor was elected Governor in 2005 with just more than 47% of the vote. That means that he could win a slim majority in the recall and still be ousted from office.

He compared the vote to making the politicians involved play soccer with two different goals, but then took credit for being the first to propose such a vote a year and a half ago. "How many lives and confrontations would have been avoided if in that moment we had approved the law?" he told CNN's Spanish language affiliate.

The Governor of La Paz, José Luis Paredes, who faces an even steeper uphill climb against the recall vote, also said he would accept the plan but was quick to cite his political disadvantage. Paredes, a former El Alto mayor more popularly known as Pepe Lucho, was elected in 2005 with just 38% of the vote. His constituency also overlaps with Morales' and MAS' strongest base of support in the nation. Evo carried 67% of the vote in the department in 2005.

"It creates a distinction that is unfair," the La Paz governor told reporters. "With just 39% of the vote they can take away my office. I would need to win 64% of the vote to remain Governor. To remove Evo Morales it will take 55% of the vote which is much harder." Paredes added however that he thought the national vote was still "a good way to leave the standoff in which we find ourselves."

Scenarios and Strategies

So, what does all this mean?

First, it launches Bolivia back into election season. That usually means that street conflicts come to and end for a while as the political players go on their best behavior. It is also a great boon for t-shirt printers. Maybe this time around the parties will hand out free bread.

Second, it means that all the players are gambling, big time.

Why is Evo putting his hard-won historic Presidency on the table? Well, there is the 'let's let the people decide," argument echoed by almost all of the threatened politicians. But no one plays this kind of poker without some confidence in his or her hand. My bet is that Evo and his allies see the situation like this. The opposition has battled his government to a near standstill. The autonomy vote in Santa Cruz has galvanized his political base in way it hasn’t been since his election win – witness the massive march in Cochabamba last Sunday. And he has cornered his opponents into playing at a table tipped distinctly to his mathematic advantage.

On top of this, if Evo survives and any of his Governor adversaries, like Reyes Villa, do not, he not only loses some of the political thorns in his side but also gets to appoint, as President, their successors. Evo and friends may see in this vote a 'two-fer', a shot at both a second mandate and a chance to remove some adversaries from the picture. It also sets the autonomy issue aside nicely as well, for now.

On the other side, Evo's adversaries in the Governorships may feel like they know how to handle elections on their home turf and that Evo will have a much harder time at getting 54% than he thinks. His victory in December 2005 relied not only on his natural base among the indigenous, rural voters, and the most impoverished. His historic majority also owed itself to a substantial vote from the country's urban middle class in places like Cochabamba – MAS polled 65% of the vote in the department – and a lot of those votes he is not likely to win again. In addition, while in 2005 the opposition to Morales was divided among several parties on the right competing for the Presidency, this time the 'No Evo' vote will be unified.

And here is yet another scenario to contemplate. Even if he loses the recall vote, Evo will remain President for at least 90 days until follow-up elections are organized to select a new one. This, in theory, means he can still appoint replacements for any of the Governors that lose. In addition, nothing in the recall law or the Constitution, to my knowledge, prohibits Evo from running in the election to fill the Presidency if he loses that recall vote. This means potentially that Evo could run again in the replacement vote and, in an election likely to be filled by many Presidential wannabes, he could easily come in first.

There is certainly a slim chance that someone here is bluffing and some last minute political deal will scuttle the plan. But tonight it doesn't look that way.

All this is great news for Bloggers and journalists and fans of political intrigue, and those t-shirt printers. What remains to be seen is whether it will end up being good news for Bolivians, who this week seem markedly more concerned about the price of bread than politics.

Stay tuned.

Who Got Elected by How Much in 2005

Here are the official numbers, courtesy of Radio Erbol. To recall any of these officials the vote against them would have to surpass both the total vote each won and the percentage of the vote each won in 2005.

Evo Morales and Alvaro Garcia Linera (raw vote / %)

1.544.374 / 53,740%


The Governors (raw vote / %)

La Paz: 361.055 / 37.988%
Chuquisaca: 66.999 / 42.306%
Pando: 9.958 / 48.032%
Beni: 46.842 / 44.637%
Santa Cruz: 299.730 / 47.877%
Oruro: 63.630 / 40.954%
Potosí: 79.710 / 40.690%
Tarija 64.098 45.646%
Cochabamba 246.417 47.641%

95 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

lies, damned lies, and statistics

seems a pretty reasonable option, though I would be very disappointed if Evo steps down failing to get even a single corrupt politician in jail.

it will all be a turnout game, seems like the opposition is energized.

3:33 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

I couldn't agree more with yuor basic analysis of the situation. I can't for the life of me understand why the governors are going along with the lopsided rules. The way they're written, Morales has nothing to lose and everything to gain. In the unlikely event that 54% of the nation does vote him out though, I think Article 87 of the current constitution would keep him from running in the next election.

8:40 AM  
Blogger mcentellas said...

I agree w/ the overall assessment, particularly noting that Evo is more vulnerable than many think. But I also add that the recall actually helps some of the regional prefects—particularly in Santa Cruz.

Yes, Costas won a narrow plurality. But his next rival wasn't MAS, it was the MNR candidate. So imagine this scenario: Evo won in 2005 w/ 53.7% of the vote, and regains his seat by a similar figure; but Costas is confirmed by a much wider margin than he won in 2005 (say, 60% to keep him). So the deadlock will just get more tense.

9:52 AM  
Blogger Montserrat Nicolás said...

I don't know Jim, but beyond sheer math and stats you must give it to Evo and company that they have some guts. Few, if any, presidents dare to put their heads under the guillotine...

Just look at mr. bush's numbers...what if HE managed to have the 'people' speak out?

Oh, yeah, 2004...


best-

11:58 PM  
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10:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Odd things happen in Bolivia:
If you “win”, then you can “loose”
And vice versa,
For the next referendum:
Prefecto from La Paz, JL Paredes can “win” with 60% of the “yes” vote, approving his performance, still he will “loose” his job because the 40% of the “no” vote is larger than the 37.98% he got in December 2005. Crazy? To say the least.
On the other hand President Morales can “loose” with 48% of the “yes” vote, in favor of his performance, still he will “keep” his job because the 52% of the “no” vote will be smaller than the 53.74% he got in December 2005.
Start hearing arguments of: “Legality” vs. “Legitimacy”.

5:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“Allí (en Bolivia), por ejemplo, las fuentes de Inteligencia me informaron de la presencia de Marco Calarcá en la región del Chapare, junto con la de otros miembros de las FARC en la región de Cochabamba”


looks like the MAS already has Plan B in the works...

7:36 PM  
Anonymous b-dogg said...

To the FARC consiparcy theorist-
Diaz Polanco writes:
It is common for powerful metropolitan countries seeking to establish hegemony
and political, economic, or military control of given areas they consider critical to
foster separatist movements in dependent or relatively weak countries under the
pretext of supporting struggles for “freedom” and encouraging “self-determination”
of ethnic-national groups. These efforts have nothing to do with regional autonomy.
The case of the Congo, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Angola, and Nicaragua’s Atlantic
Coast illustrate the instigation of ethnic-national conflicts as a weapon of blackmail
against peoples who are “rebellious” vis-à-vis the metropolitan states. (Diaz Polanco
1997, 108)
Both sides of the conflict in Bolivia have various allies and friends. And these "friends" only help because of what is in it for them. That is sadly human nature.
That being said, what good would it do MAS to have an "ally" in the FARC. Is FARC a legitimate government? Obviously in shunning the neoliberal economic model, the Bolivian government could be consiered "rebellious vis-a-vis the metropolitian states" and this explains the US government's support for the regional governors. But the FARC and MAS? what is your source? don't print B.S.

11:47 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

It was in yesterday's Los Tiempos, B-Dogg.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It was all over the wires, not just Los Tiempos, La Prensa, etc.

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Los Tiempos, Prensa, el Deber. That is called paid progapanda, a usual tool used by the powers to create confusion and caos among the population. What is next?
the taliban hiding in the hills of La Paz? Or Reverend Wright is the guide to Evo?

BS, propaganda is another word for paid journalism.

2:50 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

I'm old enough to remember when it was right-wingers who never believed a word of what the "mainstream media" printed.

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe a little late but this is the article, I believe the first on this, that was copied by Bolivian mediahttp://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/FARC/crean/celulas/clandestinas/expansion/internacional/elpepiint/20080511elpepiint_6/Tes.

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One thing we can be sure of is that no one in Bolivia would ever plant this as disinformation to try to influence, say election politics.

7:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most if not all TV and newspapers in Bolivia are owned by the righ wing, the oligarcs, and/or are related to the powers who have direct interests to destroy democracy. They had power too long and benefited by stealing the country's scare resources. What makes you think that they want to be objective? They write for their owners, the bolivian and right wing mafia. It is a fact. PROPAGANDA
Just read any bolivian newspaper and find an objective article. Listen to the daily lies of TV. If you trust or believe that propaganda, then you could buy bridges in Manhatan.

5:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 5:18

Not true. Ever heard of Gigavision? They have channels around the country, owned by former MAS asambleista Jorge Arias. I believe he quit the asamblea after the controversy in august of last year but he is definitely not a right-winger. I will credit your point that journalism is lousy in Bolivia in general but not all of it is run by the right. Ever switched on Television Boliviana? It's broadcast by the gov't all over the country and is Morales' official propaganda station. Does this serve democracy? By the way, the private media owners are in the business of making money, not destroying or promoting democracy. Not everything is a conspiracy against humanity.

to anon 7:11
it's well-known that Colombians have been training Bolivians to produce cocaine more efficiently in the past few years, why wouldn't they offer guerilla training, too? it's certainly in their interest.

9:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Questions:
Who buys cocaine? Who spends billions of dollars in Colombia and Mexico to fight cocaine lords? Why there is so much violence and poverty in both countries? Any success? It is just a hypocritical excuse, when we know DEA, the mafia, and the drug cartels control Uribe, the Mexican army and their police.
With all the market North we try to blame the coca peasants for it.
Just like the Berlin Wall, sorry, I mean the Rio Grande Wall is going to stop migrants.
The roots and causes are different, the cocaine and drug wars are excuses.

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I agree the so called war on drugs is a complete failure, it is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Berlin Wall with the US-Mexico border. The first one was to prevent people from escaping tyranny, while the latter one is a sovereign decision to keep illegal people out. Simple.

Furthermore, let's not romanticize the coca farmers nor get into conspiracy theories that the drug cartels, the DEA (or the CIA, NSA, DOD, DIA, or Santa Claus, for that matter) control Uribe. They are not that powerful, while Uribe is, thanks to his skyrocketing popularity.

The Croats are Morales' Jews.
Beni is Morales' Katrina.

PS By the way, would it be fair to compare Morales' disastrous handling of the Beni floods with the criminal irresponsability of the Burmese regime? I'm waiting for the lefties and others who bleed, sleep, eat, and defecate "social justice" to pronounce themselves.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous hippie Americano said...

This "computer files" affair is directly comparable to the WMD's crap that the Bush administration put forth about Iraq in 2003.

After thoroughly reading the Wall Street Journal and other "mainstream" media sources as well as several "alternative" media sources,

for example

and also given that dozens of respected U.S. American and world academics have publicly stated that Uribe/Colombia are exaggerating and speculating about these documents...

I have reached my own, informed conclusion that the FARC documents do not prove a conclusive financial connection between FARC and Chavez.

Please, don't let ideological blinders get you on this one. The information is out there. The stakes are too high.

Patria Grande is South America's USA

Beni is a tragedy of my poorer compatriots which I will not exploit in a stupid blog slogan.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Berlin Wall, the Chinese wall, the Rio Grande Wall, are very similar. All are or were trying to stop people from crossing them to prevent escaping dictatorial regimes, (fascists or commies), or poverty (Mexicans, Latin Americans, Asians, east Europeans).

Economic and political reasons as usual. How to stop drugs or illegal migrants?

Stop the cocaine users, stop cheap labor users. No cocaine users no coca plantations, no jobs, no migration. However the large USA corporations need cheap slave labor to pick up their crops, serve them food, and clean their trash. Moreover they pay low salaries to illegal engineers, nurses, and anything that can be used cheaply? The big corporations do not care about humans at all; they do not care about their own USA citizens, there are plenty of us graduates to fill those jobs, but corporations like Microsoft Gates prefer cheap illegal Asian engineers or scientists in detriment to the North American middle class.

The wall is going to be crossed because it is again another scapegoat to justify the economical problems that the republican kings have caused to the middle class in the US. Just think about it, inflation, gas prices, food prices, unemployment, trillion dollar deficits, and health care so expensive that 50 million people are uninsured, close to 50,000 young soldiers crippled for life, about 4000 death, and only Halliburton and the Arab oil countries are richer than ever. Are we talking about a third world country? No it is a very rich country whose people are being screwed by the multinationals that have no alliance to nobody but themselves, who now are setting their jobs in China, and Asia.
So who are we going to blame for the recession? The illegal, lets build a wall.

Are Mexicans going to be stopped by a wall? No way. The same huge crooked corporations need slave migrant workers. While two Mexicans are among the top 10 richest people in the world millions of Mexicans are so poor that they have to, no choice but to cross the border. By doing so the poor and middle class in the US gets screwed because they get lower salaries. The minimum wage has changed so little in decades that is inconceivable. So the poor of the north hates the poor of the south because it is an easy escape goat. Isn’t that why racist attacks have increased so much lately? Isn’t Santa Cruz racism also in the same waves?

Do you see why the Santa Cruz oligarchs are acting up just like the Halliburton’s of the world? Same characteristics, abuse, corruption, exploitation, slavery, they just want their huge profits, using private armies (Black water and Juventud Crucenista?)

It is a disgrace but the same people who are continuously setting obstacles to real democracy and human rights are the same ones who do not observe any of the conventions, constitutions, or the law of any country. People like costas, marinkovick, etc, are the same as cheney, rumsfeldt, gush, etc. Really incompetent, ignorant, and Machiavellic with no concerns for humanity. No wonder golberg is the brain for the secessionists.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always find it fascinating how people love criticize the US for building a wall, ignore a few facts:

1) The US has the right to build whatever it wants on its land

2) US citizens living on the border want the wall

and the best is:

3) They put the whole blame to the US and ignore that policies like MAS' ARE guilty of driving people away from their lands.

I have NEVER ever heard a Mexican criticize their goverment for being corrupt, unfair, amoral, etc. and as a result forcing them to flee to the US. No, it is all the fault of the US for being such a succesful society.

I, for one, am extremely grateful that corporations only care about profit...I would hate to have a corporation telling me how to live or trying to enforce their foreign morals into my culture. Next thing you know c'hallas and coca would be banned.

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, Lordy.

Now we're going to compare the Great China of China with the Berlin Wall? Next thing you're going to mention the Aztec's great outer wall in Tenochtitlán.

Again, Berlin Wall: keeping people in. Prison. Shooting those trying to escape.

Great Wall of China: keeping Mongolians and other invaders out.

US-Mexico border: keeping illegal people out. Sovereignty. Good.

It's every country's duty to protect its borders. For example, the Indians are building a 2,500 mile barrier with Bangladesh (oh, the outrage!) to try to stem the illegals crossing into its borders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Bangladeshi_barrier

The US has been the world's largest destination for immigrants, so quit the boring mantra denouncing racism. The US wants immigrants, but the legal way. Más claro, agua.

By the way, the Interpol will publish its reports about the alleged FARC computer tomorrow. It doesn't look good for the FARC apologists.

http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/PressReleases/PR2008/PR200816.asp

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

PS Legalizing drugs will end the drug war. Increasing economic freedom will stem the illegal immigration.

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Apaches, Cherokees should have built a wall to keep the illegal aliens hording form Europe. They were too naive, and gave hospitality to whom became the hienas which exterminated, and slave them.
Legalize cocaine? As well as alcohol I guess, both are drugs that poison brains, but who cares, that keep the massess dumm as the silent majorities.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous hippie Americano said...

There are plenty of other sources out there, anonymous.

http://www.cipcol.org/?p=596

that is another of them.


Seriously, professional computer forensics experts have looked at this issue and laughed at it.

But the point is that even what the documents DO say, is not what Uribe/WSJ claim.

Don't you find it the least bit strange that the Wall Street Journal, El Pais, Miami Herald, all hyper-critical of Chavez, somehow got this information first?

And so the Interpol report will confirm what the WSJ has already printed, so then the WSJ can point to that as its evidence, and other worldwide papers can point to the WSJ as the source, based on Interpol report.

Are you really so gullible?

Peace-even if corrupt politicians must fall for it.

4:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this!

So the Interpol says something less than flatering about Chavez, the FARC, and Bolivia....and it MUST be a LIE, a fabrication of the EMPIRE.

But if Evo, in his speeches to the Cocalero Union, says things like the Peace Corps volunteers (I forget, or was it DEA agents) are CIA types looking to bury radioactive materials in Bolivia....it never gets questioned and becomes a FACT in the mind of the Social Movements.


Now, let's see, what is more probable? That the CIA would use covert agents under the guiese of peace corps volunteers/DEA to bury uranium in Bolivia...or...that someone like (ex-terrorist) Linera would be sympathetic to the FARC?


now, can you please point to which 'experts' have laughed? I've worked with computer forensic types, and it is extremely easy to tell when something is funny on a hard disk...btw I would not expect an 'expert' that analized these laptops to make a public statement lest his credibility be damaged, much less "laugh"

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love this!

So the Interpol says something less than flatering about Chavez, the FARC, and Bolivia....and it MUST be a LIE, a fabrication of the EMPIRE.

But if Evo, in his speeches to the Cocalero Union, says things like the Peace Corps volunteers (I forget, or was it DEA agents) are CIA types looking to bury radioactive materials in Bolivia....it never gets questioned and becomes a FACT in the mind of the Social Movements.


Now, let's see, what is more probable? That the CIA would use covert agents under the guiese of peace corps volunteers/DEA to bury uranium in Bolivia...or...that someone like (ex-terrorist) Linera would be sympathetic to the FARC?


now, can you please point to which 'experts' have laughed? I've worked with computer forensic types, and it is extremely easy to tell when something is funny on a hard disk...btw I would not expect an 'expert' that analized these laptops to make a public statement lest his credibility be damaged, much less "laugh"

5:29 PM  
Anonymous hippie Americano said...

Sir, an expert may laugh simply by knowing how easily such documents can be forged! (-:

The interpol will probably certify the authenticity of the documents- hopefully nothing more irresponsible.

But you still are completely missing the point.

I'm not saying that the "farc documents" are not real or are forged. That is irrelevant, since so much of the world's (and yours I'm afraid) reality is driven by what the media publishes.

I'm also not saying that FARC does not sympathize with Evo/Chavez or Vice Versa.


What I'm saying is that the documents do not prove a financial connection between Venezuela/Chavez and the FARC.





An "email" recovered from Reyes's laptop is said by the Colombian military to show that the Farc has received $300m from Chávez. The allegation is fake. The actual document refers only to Chávez in relation to the hostage exchange.


http://www.newstatesman.com/200804240026

Dude, you can read the "farc documents" yourself:

http://www.eltiempo.com/conflicto/noticias/ARCHIVO/ARCHIVO-3985321-0.pdf

Courtesy of:

http://www.cipcol.org/?p=551


There is no simpler way to put it, although I can't wait to see how you're going to rationalize this one as more "lefty delusions".

Peace!

6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so you only question the claim of an specific financial transaction? or that it was taken out of context? A probably ramson? who knows, but that is besides the point.

A real claim exists that Evo, Linera, and the MAS could be harboring the FARC in the Chapare. I'm sure that all sorts of shenanigans occur between Chavez and the FARC. Some probably that not even Chavez is aware, but that is not really any of Bolivia's business. However, given the way things are, the claim is credible and very disconcerting.

Now, a scanned document could be a fake, but provenance of the specific .pdf file can be certified by an expert as a fake or real easily. E-mails can also be easily tracked, but then that begs the question as to why would the FARC create a whole fantasy cyberworld on their laptops?

BTW, having worked on electronic discovery cases, forging electronic documents to the point where an expert would judge them genuine, is extremely difficult, there are probably only a handful of people in the world with the ability to do it and I doubt that the FARC has the type of hardware necessary to do it, because you would literally have to reprogram hardware by hacking it.

8:14 PM  
Anonymous hippie Americano said...

but that is besides the point.

Thanks for the reply but No, that is the only point.

1.US policy classified FARC as a terrorist group. (I disagree, but that IS besides the point)
2.If Venezuela gives money to FARC, they are a terrorist state
3. US has a "valid" reason to overtly attack Venezuela.

I do not want 3. Regardless of our disagreements on anything/everything else, #2 has not been proven, therefore US has no causus belli, and WSJ is playing games.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now Interpol has proved that the Chavez government enthusiastically supports narcoterrorists. Wow, what a suprise.

Check out the pictures of the former main FARC assassin Raul Reyes (looking oddly out of place wearing an imperialist suit, for crying out loud!) being received as a dignatary by then Venezuelan vicepresident Rangel at the presidential palace. The same goes for another top FARC dude with Chavez at the presidential palace.

Oops! I forgot. Chavez said there are no FARC operatives in Venezuela, much less that he openly supports them.

http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:31 AM  
Anonymous hippie Americano said...

Chuckle..

Miguel as well as the other anti Chavez Venezuelan bloggers have been censoring my comments for years, dude.

I'll stick with Jim's Democracy Center, although I suspect 2 or 3 thousand people are tired of you and me...

#2 is the ticket. Did Interpol validate the computer documents? Sure. Did they prove #2? Of course not.

12:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I'm sure these hyper narcoterrorists went to Miraflores to discuss the weather over empanadas and mate de coca with Chavez. If nothing wrong happen, why Chavez's savage reaction with Interpol's findings?

I wouldn't hold my breath to admit the obvious, though (that Chavez directly supported the FARC). There are 600 gigabytes of juicy information from those computers, much of it not reviewed nor shown to the public. Neither time nor truth is on the side of the FARC and its supporters.

By the way, if Devil's Excrement doesn't like your views, try Aporrea. Although daring to question Chavez over there will send you to cyberpurgatory.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina.

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