Monday, May 19, 2008

Episodes in Bad Journalism Part II

In my last post I chided my cohorts on the left about the story making the rounds that the U.S. Ambassador to Bolivia is the real power behind the Santa Cruz autonomy movement, with Phillip Goldberg having been sent here specifically for that task after pulling off the same fete in Kosovo. I suggested that, if the story is true, it might be handy if those writing it published the evidence – and offered to do so right here if they sent it along.

Well today we turn to the right for Episodes in Bad Journalism Part II. This is the magnificent tale of a new book about Bolivian politics entitled: Ciudadno X (Citizen X) by transplanted Uruguayan Emilio Martinez. The book, excerpted on the Web, begins with this daring journalistic declaration:

In these recent turbulent times I had the opportunity to speak with politicians, intellectuals, industrialists and social leaders, on different aspects of the situation in the country. The most attractive part of those conversations was that they produced abundant and valuable ‘off the record’ information that could only be made public if their sources could remain in anonymity.

You know what else is really "attractive" about basing an entire book on “off-the-record” material? You can make up anything you want. Fiction after all, is more fun and a lot less work. To be sure, letting some sources stay anonymous is something many writers do, me included, but sparingly. When you make it your point of pride, you also invite a little scrutiny. And as it turns out, Mr. Martinez work doesn't hold up so well.

So it is the case that when I read in a newspaper this morning that I earned a mention in the book, I thought I would check out what Mr. Martinez had to say. As it turns out, I had a whole new job I never even knew about!

“Shultz,’ writes Martinez, “was also an advisor to MAS in the Constituent Assembly.”

Now, I knew I was really busy this last year, getting a book finished, doing some advocacy training for UNICEF in the Balkans, and reading copious amounts of Curious George to my daughter’s kindergarten class on Wednesday mornings. But I just can’t remember ever advising MAS on the Constituent Assembly. Is this early Alzheimer’s? Actually, truth be told, I haven’t been to Sucre since 1991 and I’ve never met any of the Assembly members, for MAS or any other party. Perhaps I did my advising telepathically. Wow, if that was the case then Mr. Martinez must have some really amazing sources, no?

As a writer, I don’t take kindly to writers who make things up and peddle it as fact, be it for the service of the left, the right, or good dental hygiene. Ask any of the young writers who suffered through being edited by me as we wrote Dignity and Defiance. “We write defensively,” I kept hammering away around the round table in our office. “We assume that our critics will pick away at everything we write, so everything we write has to be fact-based and impervious to those attacks.”

If any of them had pulled a stunt like Mr. Martinez’s, he or she would have been an ex-member of The Democracy Center team.

Ahh, but in fairness, Mr. Martinez’ real point is not that I provided telepathic advice to MAS delegates to the Constituent Assembly. His point is that I am one of a handful of secret emissaries for the billionaire George Soros, situated with the aim of doing Soros’ bidding with the Morales government. The basis for this is that in June 2006 The Democracy Center received, along with several thousand other organizations worldwide, a grant from the Open Society Institute, a Soros-backed foundation. Only a real journalistic sleuth could have found this out, since we post all our donors on our Web site.

How I Became a Secret Agent for George Soros

So, having been outed in this way I am ready to come clean and explain exactly how George Soros used me to manipulate the Bolivia government. It went basically like this.

It was January 2006, my best friend Evo Morales had just been sworn in as President and revolution was in the air. Walking down the Prado in Cochabamba I was trying desperately not to spill saltena juice on my one clean shirt for the week. I failed. Suddenly my Nokia rang. I said, “Buenos Dias,” and a deep voice in deeply accented Hungarian came through the line:

Mr. Jim Shultz?

Yes

Is this a secure line?

Well, I think the saltena lady is listening, but she probably doesn’t speak English.

But you can never tell, can you? Speak low.

Uhh, okay.

I have a proposition for you. I am prepared to provide you with one million dollars if you will agree to help me influence the Morales government to do my economic and political bidding.

Who is this? Aaron, geeze, cut this out, I’ve got saltena spilling all over me.

This is not anyone named Aaron. This is George Soros.

The rich guy? Really? How did you get my cell number?

Rich guys can do a lot of things Mr. Shultz.


Suddenly my antiquated Nokia was buzzing with a second call. I told George Soros that I would have to put him on hold.

Hola

Jaime, hermano, es Evo, que pasa?


I told him in Spanish that I was spilling saltena juice all over myself and then told him George Soros was on the other line.

“Well, if he is willing to give you a million dollars, I’d do it,” Evo told me in perfectly accented English. Evo hides his English so his indigenous backers won’t become wise to his secret life as a George Soros agent.

And that is exactly how it happened. This is all off-the-record okay? You didn’t here it from me.

Okay, How I Really Became a Pawn of George Soros

I wish it had gone that way. It is a way better story and The Democracy Center wouldn't be about to run out of money. But, actually, it went more like this.

The Democracy Center was trying to write a book. Now I am sure that John Grisham makes a lot of money from his books, but not the books we write. I think our fat royalty check this year from Rutgers University Press for The Democracy Owners’ Manual was $356. If a book we write sells retail for $20, The Center generally gets $1. Multiply that times sales of 5,000 books, not 500,000, and you get the picture.

And so, as executive director of a nonprofit organization I do what nonprofit directors do, I troll the foundation world and grovel for grant support. This is a task roughly as enjoyable as a root canal, and it takes longer. Ninety percent of the time, if we actually get far enough to talk to someone who works at a foundation, we hear:

Bolivia really isn’t an interest of ours.

We’re getting out of supporting research.

All our funds are allocated until the middle of next year.

We don’t see an angle related to global climate change.


But always followed by:

We wish you well in your work.

The nice ones tell you this before you invest a week of work writing a 25-page funding proposal. The others are going to hell, I am sure of it.

The Open Society Institute (OSI) was one of the foundations where we had long-tried to get into the door. Its politics were left-of-center (like ours), they funded other groups we worked with, and I had once written a citizens guide on gas and oil issues that OSI published. But my entreaties to OSI’s Latin America program were always rebuffed with some variation on the rejections described above.

But it January 2006, while I was on a visit to Washington on other matters (my covert work for the CIA) the head of OSI’s projects south of the border agreed to meet me for bagels. It seemed that George Soros himself had called my bagel partner after having been wowed by watching Evo’s inaugural on CNN. The Latin America Program went searching for grants to make in Bolivia and The Democracy Center, by fluke, ended up in the right place at the right time.

I will leave it to conspiracy theorists to determine whether Soros was aiming to cozy up to Evo to protect his mining interests in Bolivia, or if he was just caught up in the Evo-mania of the time along with many others. In either case, the mood swing at the top of the Soros Empire translated into a one year grant to The Democracy Center, which we used to pay researchers, writers, painters, photographers and a few airlines and bus companies toward the end of researching, writing and publishing our new book: Dignity and Defiance, Stories from Bolivia’s Challenge to Globalization.

If the Soros people thought that financing us was a way to get to Evo, they certainly didn’t bet that one too well.

So, the natural follow-up question is: Did George Soros tell us what to write? It is not an unreasonable question to ask.

First, lets be clear that the chances that George Soros has ever actually heard of The Democracy Center or Jim Shultz are about as likely as George Bush putting on a ballet tutu at the Democratic National Convention this summer and asking Hillary Clinton to marry him. It’s a nice image, but unlikely. The Soros Empire is huge, giving out thousands of grants each year in every region of the world. Grants to organizations like The Democracy Center don’t exactly rise up too far on the radar screen of a man who spends his time with heads of state, not big-footed gringos living in Cochabamba.

But did Soros underlings try to tell The Democracy Center what to write? Well, sort of, once. But it didn’t work.

We had also tried courting another wing of the Soros Empire for funding, an outfit called Revenue Watch. We pitched staff there the idea of funding our research on the oil and gas issue, a key chapter in our new book and a pivotal issue in Bolivia. The staff liked the idea a lot, but came back with a caveat. Any writing we were going to publish with support from Revenue Watch would have to be run by them first. It took us all of 30 seconds to tell them no. The Democracy Center’s credibility relies on our independence, and no one, especially funders, is ever given review and approval power over what we write or say. We turned down the money, which we really could have used, by the way.

The Latin American Program, on the other hand, never asked to see any of our writings in advance, and never did. In fact, we have yet to send them the English manuscript of the book, but I promise, if they are reading this, we will.

Epilogue

We had a lot to show for our work backed by the OSI grant. Our book manuscript was done and accepted by a prestigious academic publisher, the University of California Press. We had produced a set of well-received and well-done briefing papers. The Blog from Bolivia was booming with nearly 3,000 readers a day. The Center had helped support a number of important journalists with their coverage of Bolivia. For an amount that many U.S. groups drop on a single salary in Washington or New York, we’d supported a whole organization.

But when we asked for another year of support, OSI turned us down.

Bolivia really isn’t an interest of ours.

We’re getting out of supporting research.

All our funds are allocated until the middle of next year.


Or in other words, George Soros had lost interest in Bolivia and gone on to other things. That’s how it with some funders. Something captures their interest for a nanosecond, and then it is on to the next new thing. We spent our last OSI funds a year ago and haven’t seen a dime from them since.

So, if all that spells c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y to you, well gosh, you’ll just have to go on and believe it.

As for Mr. Martinez and his active imagination, I wish he would at least have attacked our book, you know the one we actually researched. We could use the attention.

Oh yeah, I am going to sends this to the staff at the Open Society Institute and tell them that if we are going to get attacked as Soros pawns, they at least ought to give us a new grant. Only seems fair, no?

64 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, if all that spells c-o-n-s-p-i-r-a-c-y to you, well gosh, you’ll just have to go on and believe it.

So Bolivia Libre, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Buffy :)

4:45 PM  
Blogger Ego Ipse said...

Lol... thellepatic abilities, paranormal sources... Lol

Mr. Martínez is a great, very great researcher

6:31 PM  
Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

JA, JA, JA, JA, JA, JA…..JA; JA; come on Jim, so many years of instigating violence in the streets in my country and you have still not learned that to Bolivians, “SI EL RIO SUENA ES POR QUE PIEDRAS TRAE”; Tiquipaya must be full of Cubans and Venezuelans now a days that you are unaware of such saying.

I don’t thing such an extended blog is due because, obviously, Martinez book is going to kick ass and sale thousands of copies, unlike your publications. And that Martinez book, all do maybe a 100% off the record will have more veracity and common sense that your, supposedly, researched pieces.

Your technique of satirizing a hurtful true is well know, as well as trying to hide the true by writing extensively about it giving up several different possibilities, so the true dissipates among the lies; Goebbels would be proud of you.

Carry on Jim, keep on leaking the wounds; and practice for the moment people start digging out whatever happened with the several million Chavez’ dollar checks Evo has being distributing and that no one is responding about.

7:33 PM  
Blogger Ego Ipse said...

Lol. I do think that Bolivia Slave (of landowners) does not thinG..

Regards

7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buffy, oh yeah, he smoked it alright. The guy isn't even coherent anymore. Maybe he's using babblefish.

11:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry boludo libre:
His web page is a sorry excuse of lies, not nobody reads or participates, and that is why his kind suffer from humillation.
Jim, I do not know you, I do not live in Bolivia but I believe in your work and sincerity. By your deeds you will be judged.
It is thanks to bolivians like the so called "libre" that we continue living in deceipt, ignorance, poverty and corruption.
Keep up the good work, and hopefully you get more funding soon.
I would recommend patience with as... ho...like the false accusations from X and Boludlibre.
Ciao

11:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim, I remember the Democracy Center doing some reporting from the Assembly. If you were not there your 'The Democracy Center team' was. And that constitution seems to suffer from one too many foreign NGO cooks. Its not quite as goof-ball as you make it sound.

Are you not a foreign NGO trying to influence Bolivia?

1:07 AM  
Anonymous ABB said...

Con la cantidad de gente que visita este Blog y la tema, es probable que la mayoria puede leer espanol. Si alguien no puede expresarse en ingles ?como no escribir en espanol? Al menos podemos discutir el problema si nos podemos entender.

7:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim, you could have avoided writing an article about your-hurt-feelings-due-to-being-branded-as-a-Soros-agent-who-advises-Evo-Morales if you would have posted your annual balance sheet on your website (recommended by yours truly).

Many (chuckles) "nonprofit" and "for profit" (i.e. real) companies do so, why don't you? Man up and be transparent with your "nonprofit" finances. Soros might have funded you with $1 or $100,000, but the general public (i.e. us handful of DC partipicants) won't know the difference.

In this case, you do judge a book by its cover.

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what is the publishing date for the English language version of Digntity and Defiance? Amazon doesn't have it in yet.

8:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim says English version comes out later in the year. The book comes out first in Bolivia as that is his priority. The Bolivian publisher is Plural Press and he doesn't think they are selling abroad.

9:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe that the overall, Emilio Martinez is onto something.

Evo's government is staffed by ex-NGO types, most of which were funded by foreigners with a not-very-clear-agenda. I forget which one is it, but there is on NGO from most of Cabinet Members and a lot of Constituyentes came from. I've been around the world, and I know that there are some extremists, specially in Europe, who have smoked a little to much herb and have some wacky ideas. Some of these people have money and they think of Bolivia as a little test tube.

Had Jim and the DC been in Sucre, they could have been witness to aggressive lobbying by these NGO, that sometimes even bribed CA members to attend "trainning sessions."


BTW,

Am I the only one who thinks that it is a bit out place for a Director of an NGO like this NOT TO MEET WITH A SINGLE CA MEMBER?

may be there was a conflict with AFS' Masterpice Sockpuppet Theatre.

10:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm, maybe we can settle this on the facts. Why doesn't Bolivia Libre contact Martinez (of course, he may be Martinez) and have him post here the proof that Jim Shultz was an advisor to MAS on the CA. If he wrote it he must have proof right? You want to nail Shultz' ass to the wall, that'll do it.

2:06 PM  
Blogger Montserrat Nicolás said...

Jim:
Why don't you send Mr. Martinez (a best-seller in Bolivia, but hardly abroad with 5000 copies sold) an email and ask?

That would be good blog material, and happy blog readers with that.

Best-

9:03 PM  
Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Uuuuuhuuuu, 4 hate replays from the Evo cronies, alias anos, but off course without any substance or debatable wording, just plain ignorance and insults. I will try to extract something to comment; first, I don’t need to prove Jim’s boot kissing to George Soros. He confessed himself he gave his ass to Soros because no one wants to throw his cash to the garbage, which is the same thing than giving money to the DC to publish a book. As a matter of fact Jim’s prestige must be much worst than I expected since my organization in Bolivia doesn’t have any problem getting money from good old George; no ano, no, George Soros, not Bush.

About nailing Jim’s ass, after Soros!!!, we will have to use a bazooka; off course, taking in account that his name and his organization’s name is being nailed every time some maSSist ano zealot writes a hate post, a bazooka might be to small. I wouldn’t mind at all, off course, that the DC open his account books to the public as proposed by a more clever anon; would that be to much to ask to an organization advocating the economical control of those that govern?; after all Jim openly recognizes his organization’s political motivation.

So for those ano haters populating this blog, keep on screaming but watch out, you might pop a hemorrhoid and bleed to dead within a neo indigenous populist orgasm and not even notice you are inhaling your last breath of democracy in Bolivia.

11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mas claro...Agua

McCain: I will prevent Bolivia and Venezuela from taking the Cuban road

Republican Senator John McCain, speaking before a noisy crowd in Miami on Cuban Independence Day, on Tuesday pledged to keep the embargo against the Caribbean island, prevent Bolivia and Venezuela from taking the same road taken by Cuba, and strengthen ties with Brazil, Chile and Peru, if he is elected as US president.

McCain criticized his Democrat rival, Senator Barack Obama, for saying that he is willing to sit down with Cuban President Raúl Castro, reported AP.

"If I am elected president (…) We will work to prevent Venezuela and Bolivia from taking the same road to failure Castro has paved for Cuba, and we will broaden and strengthen ties with key states like Brazil, Peru, and Chile," McCain said.

Likewise, McCain criticized Obama for opposing to a free trade agreement with Colombia.

"Colombia is a beacon of hope in a region where the Castro brothers, [Venezuelan President] Hugo Chávez, and others are actively seeking to thwart economic progress and democracy," McCain added.

3:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think I'll switch my vote from Obama to McCain.

It is really admirable that McCain would be willing to sacrifice the young people of US so that Bolivians can enjoy freedom, although all they do with that freedom is kill each other. My tax dollars would be better spent if we just let these savages cannibalize each other in peace, but of course in the process, Bolivia would flood the region with drugs.

Why would anyone support making Bolivia the next Cuba?

10:21 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

"Colombia is a beacon of hope in a region where the Castro brothers, [Venezuelan President] Hugo Chávez, and others are actively seeking to thwart economic progress and democracy," McCain added.

It is disingenuous of McCain to suggest Venezuela is not democratic, considering how painfully obvious considering the recalls and plebiscites that have taken place in Venezuela how democratic a country it is.

As for Columbia being a beacon of hope... I point you towards McCain's assessment of Iraq.

Honestly though, where does it get anyone to speak as if Columbia is a beacon of hope, or that Chavez is anti-democratic, or that words have no viable meaning in a mouth like that.

It's simply childish.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While it is amusing when Bolivia Libre and others lose it here and wander off into their ranting (its like watching a car wreck), I wish someone from a conservative perspective that actually has a brain would join the debate.

My gosh, have the whackos even scared Norman away?

12:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, lefties do that a lot.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

1:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I greatly appreciate the honestly and transparency of this post. Only left wondering, what was the exact dollar amount of OSI's check to DC? Did I miss that somewhere?

Did anybody count the number of anal references in Bolivia "Libre"s posts? Vamos hermano, tanto te ha hecho sufrir el Culito Blanco?

I'm with those asking for Mr. Martinez's proof.

The Palestinians are Israel's Jews

A handful of wealthy Bolivian-Croats are militantly opposing land reform in Bolivia.

Most Bolivian-Croats I have met and befriended in Bolivia have been 'cien puntos', excellent people.

I will not exploit the tragedy of the Benianos in a silly blog slogan.

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It is disingenuous of McCain to suggest Venezuela is not democratic"


I guess they never shot down that one TV station nor did Chavez ever call upon the use of violence against his detractors...all those bullet holes in the Ayuntamiento must be fake.

4:41 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Sorry anon... I've been remiss... plus I happen to pretty much agree with Jim on this one regarding baseless accusations.

As to getting scared off, I get tired of the constant racist overtones on both sides. I didn't know there was a single Croat descendent in Bolivia until Branco Marinkovic took over as leader of the Comité Civico. Now everything is the Croats' fault. It's not just on this blog though. I was talking to a nice lady last week who was tailing on about how racist the Morales' government is, then continued to explain how it's all because of the "Indios"! I just kind of smiled and walked away.

5:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disturbing, is the word that came to mind when I read McCain’s comment. What is going on with American politicians, and with the American public?

Haven’t you heard about the tens of thousands of gang members, the Maras and Salva Truchas, in El Salvador? Those young men are a product of the wars in the 80’s. That was served no purpose. The USSR was already a wounded animal that was bound to fail.

Of course Europe benefited. After the fall of the Berlin Wall it has moved on to form a union, while the Latin American republics, thanks to interventionism, wallow in poverty and bleed their population to points north.

Those are the millions of Illegal aliens from all over the Americas lining up for jobs as “day workers”, restaurant workers, etc.? Those people are the product of years of “American Aid” that lined up the pockets of “democratic leaders” through out Latin America. American policy has created a cadre of blood sucking politicians through out the “Republics” of the South. As an example, just ask the thousands of Colombians living in New York why they came to the US.

The right waves its fist at welfare recipients and “illegals” without griping about the flow of welfare checks to “democratic” leaders who run “Banana Republics” and do the bidding of American corporations and their well funded PACs in the US congress

The price of oil hit above 130 today. Where are all those profits going?


Franco

12:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "Croats" (most haven't been to their country of heritage nor speak Croatian, and are highly patriotic Bolivians) are among the most successful, productive, and wealthy (why not? add handsome) in Bolivia. Naturally, that arises envy and resentment from others.

Bad governments tend to distract their failed policies from the population by blaming the successful and wealthy groups (who tend to be minorities). It has been that way with the Jews in Europe, the Gujarat Indians under Idi Amin's Uganda, the ethnic Chinese in Southeast Asia, the Lebanese in Western Africa, the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, etc.

Hence, the "Croats," being successful and wealthy, are a perfect target from an inept and racist government to blame for the country's problems. There, it is very apt to say:

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:26 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

"It is disingenuous of McCain to suggest Venezuela is not democratic"


I guess they never shot down that one TV station nor did Chavez ever call upon the use of violence against his detractors...all those bullet holes in the Ayuntamiento must be fake.


I don't want to call this type of argument "typically American conservative" but constantly sidestepping an issue is indicative of some of their line of argument.

Venezuela isn't perfect. Chavez isn't a perfect leader. There are some question marks over his leadership, sure.

I guess they never shot down that one TV station. You're right they didn't, they revoked the public license at that TV station can still be caught on cable. Sure it's not great to a station's licensed revoked but in context, they did try to kill him in 2002 (as a co-conspirator in the coup). Imagine CNN try to kill George Bush? They wouldn't even in existence today. In Britain, Tony Blair (more subtlety) managed to censor the BBC from criticizing his Iraq policy (even though they turned out to be right about his fraud). Chavez isn't perfect, but he's no different than any other world leader in this respect.

But hey, you guys don't seem to be on the logic train. Ideology is all you seem to care about, whether it be true or not.

I certainly have no love for Chavez, but I'm not going to cartoonize him just to justify a weak straw-man argument.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Aaron said...

Your logic seems to be suffering from the effects of ideology yourself.

"I guess they never shot down that one TV station. You're right they didn't, they revoked the public license at that TV station can still be caught on cable."

I believe that is the definition of shutting down a tv station as tv is broadcast. 50% of the population has the ability to catch them on cable or sat.

Of the three commercial stations accessible in all parts of Venezuela, only RCTV has remained strongly critical of the government. The other two—Venevision and Televen—were themselves accused of supporting the attempted coup and subsequent anti–government protests. But both have since removed virtually all content critical of the government from their programming.

Venevision’s license is also due for renewal on May 27, but the government has remained silent about the channel’s future, in contrast to its repeated public attacks on RCTV.

Officials defend the decision by pointing out that the government is merely exercising its right not to renew RCTV’s broadcasting license when it expires. However, no procedure was established to enable RCTV to present evidence and arguments in its favor; the criteria on which the decision was based were not established clearly beforehand, nor was there any application or selection process allowing RCTV to submit an application for continuation of its concession.

In March 2007 the government published details of its case—a 360–page “White Book on RCTV”—which includes pages of allegations against the station, some of them based on investigations by the government broadcasting authority CONATEL. The report was issued months after Chávez made his announcement and does not address the station’s replies to CONATEL’s investigation.

The White Book accuses RCTV of “inciting rebellion,” showing “lack of respect for authorities and institutions,” breaking the laws protecting minors, engaging in monopolistic practices, and failing to pay taxes. However, it does not cite a single final judicial or administrative ruling establishing that the channel had in fact committed any of these alleged offenses during its 20–year contract. No one from the channel has been convicted for their alleged complicity in the attempted coup.

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On another topic...


I was very dissappointed to hear that 'certain people' threw a bomb on Fernando Dips home, resulting in only broken windows and other minor damage.

I am dissappointed because Mr Dips was not killed. My vote for the MAS was not because I wanted a Cuba or Venezuela in Bolivia, but because I want to see people like Dips face the death penalty.

He is the stereotypical crook who somehow seized control of a "public" company and thru violence, graft, shady deals and being surrounded by armed thugs does what he pleases with the people's money. He does not deserve 30yrs in jail, but he deserves to be stoned to death, or be taken to achacachi to have his throath slit.

As a Cotel shareholder I have seen my shares go from $3,500 to become practically worthless, all the while this guy (and his 'aides') keep getting fancier cars, houses, and bank accounts...he's got a freaking monopoly and the company is still going under WTF???

I want to see Dips, Chito Valle, the Pradas, MNR's Morales, all of these scum dead...I wish Evo would focus on these people, the true enemies of Bolivia, instead of the US Embassy.


Again, I am very dissappointed that Dips did not get his comeuppance, but I am very grateful to see that at least some citizens are doing the right thing.

12:18 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Was that for real or was that a right-winger pretending to be a MAS supporter and spouting hate-speech to de-humanize them?

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman, it seemed honest to me, although I doubt this person wants anybody truly to be harmed.

I totally share the sentiment, except I don't believe in the death penalty or in political violence.

The above named crooks and their likes should rot in prison and our history books should reflect the harm they have done to our nation.

Unfortunately many of the same old crooks were smart enough to jump on the MAS bandwagon- and carrying on with their corrupt business as usual from within- nuanced arguments are lost on BL et al. but this of course doesn't automatically make our current government all "bad".

Anonymous 8:26, have you heard of Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies?

MAS and Evo may have personally made statements against "Croats" (Croat-Bolivians as we all know) but that is far from there being a state policy to dehumanize and exterminate them, which was the case against Jews in Hitler's Germany, and is the case today unfortunately in Israel against the Palestinians.

So....

I understand if you have these mixed Bolivian and European roots that the situation makes you uncomfortable and that is not fair, but neither is making groundless accusations that compare Evo to Hitler.

But I like blog slogans too.

Viva la Union de Naciones Sudamericanas!

Viva el Consejo de Defensa Suramericano!

Usamerican IV Naval Fleet out of Latin America, NOW!

6:37 PM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

Implied death threats (or fantasy scenarios related to them) are cowardly and disgusting, 8:58.

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

frank_ibc

thanks for the comment. I guess that you aren't that bad. Meaning, I agree with you on this point. And, succinctly put.

11:41 PM  
Blogger The Democracy Center said...

A reminder to readers:

The Democracy Center has made this space available since the start as an uncensored forum available to commenters of any political point of view and to all and any criticism of me, The Center or our work.

However, as I have written before, this space is not available to people who wish to make physical threats against me, my family or people associated with our work.

I have deleted such a comment from this post. And if another one like it appears we will shut down the comments section immediately and for long enough that the people involved lose interest and go away. Which they will.

Jim Shultz
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9:48 PM  
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