Sunday, September 28, 2008

AP’s Report on the Violence in Pando

In 2008 Bolivia joined Chile in and the U.S. in having 9/11 etched into their national histories as dates associated with violence and bloodshed (in Chile, for those who don’t know, September 11, 1973 was the date of the bloody U.S.-backed coup of General Augusto Pinochet).

On September 11 of this year, as parts of Bolivia’s eastern departments were in open, violent rebellion against President Morales, that violence spread to Pando. A caravan of Morales supporters, 1,000 or more, was headed to the department’s capital city, Cobija. There intent has been described differently by different reporters, to meet and discuss strategy, or to retake the public buildings seized by Morales opponents.

Whatever their intent, some 30 kilometers out of the city they were met by a crowd of several hundred heavily armed backers of the region’s Governor, Leopoldo Fernandez (cuurently in jail in La Paz). Among other weapons, the mob from the city brought machine guns.

For weeks there have been differing accounts of what happened on that road on that bloody day. Yesterday the Associated Press, a news organization that produces solid reporting here, published the first thorough foreign press account based on travel to the site of the violence and extensive interviews with eyewitness.

Here is the link. I encourage you to read it.

AP Examines Deadly Clash on Bolivian Jungle Road

By PAOLA FLORES The Associated Press

PORVENIR, Bolivia (AP) — A deadly clash on a jungle highway has become the newest and bloodiest symbol of Bolivia's political crisis, pitting President Evo Morales against an autonomy movement in the eastern lowlands that is bitterly resisting his leftist reforms.

The shootout capped rioting across half of Bolivia, violence that Morales alleges was inspired by opposition governors and supported by the United States — a charge denied by U.S. Ambassador Philip Goldberg as he was expelled from the natural gas-rich country this month.

Morales, pushing for deep socialist reforms guided by traditional Bolivian indigenous values, says groups organized by his political opponents machine-gunned 16 of his poor Indian supporters in the Sept. 11 confrontation.

Lowland opposition leaders, guarding their region's frontier capitalism and more Euro-centric heritage, say they lost two of their own in a pitched battle to defend their provincial capital from marchers directed by Morales.

The Associated Press traveled to Bolivia's remote Amazonian province of Pando and interviewed police, witnesses, and participants on both sides. Their testimony and evidence from the scene suggests that the blockading of the marchers exploded into a shootout, and that the shootout quickly devolved into a one-sided rout.

Read the full account here.

87 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

comments like "But Fernandez and other provincial governors resent Morales' decision to spend a portion of skyrocketing gas revenues on a nationwide pension program that benefits the largely indigenous poor." immediately identify the bias of the journalist.

Now to the point the article also demonstrates two things Morales supporters were paid to march to Cobija, they were violent and had nothing good planned for Cobija. The governor Fernandez ordered trenches to be dug in the road to stop morales supporters when the morales supporters caught with the prefectura workers they beat them. Next thing was the fight.

First I think its good to point out that this is Bolivia's frontier and attitudes here are very different. In the mind of the Pando people they were defending their city from an aggressive paid mob. In my book they got what they deserved. I am sure the death toll is relative small compared to what could have happened if those paid marchers would have got Santa Cruz.

6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Avery good article

The article failed to mention that 5 Venezuelan military died there too. Also that venezuelans were paying and organizing some of the campesino groups. Two Cubans were detained on the side of Brasil that were sying on people from Pando there also. Details and names of the dead are soon to be relased in Venezuela. On the 23rd of Septtiembre the Venezuelan military officers helded a memorial serivce in there embassy.

Free press was not allowed in Pando until themilitary had full control Only the government friendly reporters were permitted to enter.
Military plans for the taking seige of Cobija were also already in place before the massarce happend. Friends in the joint command said that the military was also been instructed to come up with plans to take Trinidad next and finally Santa Cruz. That never materialized but it all shows this governments willingness to use violence and sacrifice the very people that support it

7:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Morales was never interested in the truth, he's simply following his old strategy of feeding his revolution with blood.

http://www.la-razon.com/versiones/20080927_006408/C_246.htm

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous #1, #2, #3:

Is this blog your job?

9:00 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

So morales sent armed protestors and Fernandez sent armed protestors. Fernandez is in prison (and morales is not) because Fernandez protestors weer better armed? Folks, don't bring guns to these things. If you see that the guy beside you brought a gun, maybe you shouldn't be there. 200 Bolivianos is not worth yourt life.

10:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey you guys!

Let´s play the "saw two venezuelans shoot three campesinos" poker shit again!

Come on!! Be fun, man...be fun!!!

10:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANON 6;49
YES, THE ARTICLE IS BIAS BUT TO WHOM. THE WRITE CITED "AYMARA INDIAN WOMEN" TWICE. WHAT I KHOW THE AYMARAN WOMEN ARE STUBURN AND THEY DON'T GIVE UP THEIR WAY OF DRESS SO EASY, ALSO IT FAILS TO CITED THE PREFECTURA'S TRUCK IN FIRE LOAD WITH WEAPONS, BULLETS AND TNT, AND THERE IS NOT MENTION THAT THE SAME DAY WERE OTHER ATTACKS TO THE CENTRAL GOVERMENT OFFICES. ANOTHER POINT IS THAT nationwide pension program that benefits the largely indigenous poor." IT IS BAIS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT SUCH THING ONLY THE PENSION FOR THE ELDERS AND EL BONUS PINTO; WICH MEAN FOR EVERY bOLIVIAN WHO IS OLD AND THOSE STUDENT ATTENDING A PUBLIC SCHOOL. THERE IS EVIDENCE THAT DAY 9/11/08 WAS ALREADY PLANNED ON MAY 2008. THE pERUVIANS AND THE bRAZILIANS THOUGS PRESENT ON THE MASSACRE MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME BECAUSE pERUVIAN AND bRAZILIAN COMPANIES WERE DEFORESTING PANDO WITH FERNADEZ HELP; WHEN THE mORALES GOVERMENT ASK THEM FOR PERMITS THEY COULDN'T SHOW THEIR PAPERS AND I DON'T NEED ANY AP REPORT TO CONFIRM IT JUST ASK ANY PANDINO, A RIFLE THAT FEED ONE BULLET AT A TIME IS NOT THE SAME AS A MACHINE GUN. STOP WITH THE LIES

11:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY EVERYONE!

I SAW 2 VENEZUELAN OFFICERS KILL 3 CAMPESINOS, AFTER WHICH THEY SAT DOWN TO DRINK 8 CERVEZAS. MY COUSIN IS A VENEZUELAN, HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE I SWEAR THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!!!111

11:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

La Razon reports the government's own investigators can only confirm 10 dead from the shoot out including three autonomistas and one soilder, and this includes those killed when the airport was taken the next day. This is the link,

http://www.la-razon.com/ultima.asp?id=678155

The AP article shows this surely wasn't a one sided ambush. Just a tragedy of mobilized citizens who were armed. It is undeniable that both sides were armed. More tragedies like this will surely occur if the government decides to go all the way and crush SC and the media luna.

The fact that the government's own investigators are only reporting 10 dead give make the reports of additional venezuelean soilders killed somewhat more plausible. But how will we ever know?

Also the Razon article found the bulk of the "missing" have been found in their chacos waiting out the troubles. No additional dead were found at the river by the army, according to La Razon. The "massacre" looks like a tragic shoot out. Good AP article.

I have always believed Bolivians would back away from the brink if left to themselves but the Venezuelan factor makes me now think a terrible blood bath could indeed happen, as the events at Por Venir show. Pray for Bolivia and pray Venezuelans go home and let Bolivians work this out with thier Brazilian and Chilean neighbors acting as arbitors. No body wants this kind of violence.

As for machine guns, the narco folks have lots of them, and remember 10,000 AK 47's (that the Bolivian army doesn't use) found their way to Bolivia from Venezuela. What does the government want with 10,000 AK 47s?

Here is the link to the article about the discovery of 10,000 AK 47s in Bolivia and no one knows how they got there.

http://www.la-razon.com/versiones/20080626_006315/nota_256_621718.htm

Paulovich said they are to be distibuted to all the cholitas to be kept under the bed until needed defend La Paz from invation by comite civicos from Santa Cruz! I just hope they stay there! Seriously I hope the Chileans stay at the negotiations or things will be worse than we can all imagine! The tragic events at Porvenir show just how bad it could get.

12:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is from an eye wittness from the other side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3kbi894g0&NR=1

2:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you or the AP report doesn't explain what 2 prefectura'S truck was load with weapons (ONE FIRE), it would like if the Crips aNd the bloods are in a fight and the Los Angeles Police department provied heavy weapons to the crips such as machine guns. uzzys, bazzokas. If it is truth about the 10,000 ak 47 distibutd to all cholitas in La Paz; It is the best kept secret of the century your are telling that 250.000 ak 47 came from Venezuela INSTED OF 10.000.

the narcos are with the rigth wing from Argentina to The United states. you want facts ok.
1)Most of the drugs that comes out from Bolivia is from Santa Cruz, Pando or Beni.
2 President Uribe FBI's #82 drug trafikkker.
3)MEXICAN PRESIDENT cALDERON DECLARE WAR TO THE SOMALIA CARTEL WHILE THE OTHER TWO BIG ONE ARE DOING BUSINES AS USUAL.
4 MCcAIN MET WITH BOTH OF THEM
5 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FINACED THE IRAN CONTRA WITH DRUG MONEY AND LET NORIEGA PACKED A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE DRUG TRAFIKERS; WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD KNEW NORIEGA WAS A DRUG TRAFIKER, BUT NOT THE usa BASE IN pANAMA
6 MEXICAN PRESIDENT FOX IS TIED WITH EL CHINO
7 AND GEORGE BUSH USED IT

2:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you or the AP report doesn't explain what 2 prefectura'S truck was load with weapons (ONE FIRE), it would like if the Crips aNd the bloods are in a fight and the Los Angeles Police department provied heavy weapons to the crips such as machine guns. uzzys, bazzokas. If it is truth about the 10,000 ak 47 distibutd to all cholitas in La Paz; It is the best kept secret of the century your are telling that 250.000 ak 47 came from Venezuela INSTED OF 10.000.

the narcos are with the rigth wing from Argentina to The United states. you want facts ok.
1)Most of the drugs that comes out from Bolivia is from Santa Cruz, Pando or Beni.
2 President Uribe FBI's #82 drug trafikkker.
3)MEXICAN PRESIDENT cALDERON DECLARE WAR TO THE SOMALIA CARTEL WHILE THE OTHER TWO BIG ONE ARE DOING BUSINES AS USUAL.
4 MCcAIN MET WITH BOTH OF THEM
5 THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FINACED THE IRAN CONTRA WITH DRUG MONEY AND LET NORIEGA PACKED A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE DRUG TRAFIKERS; WHILE THE WHOLE WORLD KNEW NORIEGA WAS A DRUG TRAFIKER, BUT NOT THE usa BASE IN pANAMA
6 MEXICAN PRESIDENT FOX IS TIED WITH EL CHINO
7 AND GEORGE BUSH USED IT

2:11 AM  
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3:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cuchi Cuchi worshipper continues to amaze. When I think his level of stupidity and ignorance can't go further -- it can't be humanly possible! -- he steps it up a notch. If there'd be a word in the dictionary for "stupid to the nth degree," it would simply say "Evo Morales."

Very well known is his long list of faults such as (to mention a few) his verbal gaffes, lack of knowledge of history, ignorance in economics, mythomania, Chavez lackey, dreams of very young teenagers, hatred for reason and captitalism, autocratic aspirations, megalomaniac personality, lack of regard for the rule of law, insecure self-esteem, failing as a trombone player, ridiculous haircut...and now, he says something akin to telling an Eskimo, "You wanna purchase some ice?"

Now that ATPDEA is almost certainly dead for Bolivia and 50,000 El Alto textile jobs are in serious jeopardy, Morales bravely stated he's not afraid since there are other markets for these Bolivian products such as China, India, and Vietnam. Teeny weeny problem is that those countries manufacture massive amounts of textiles themselves. It's like asking for Peru or Colombia to buy Bolivia's coca. Of for salteñeria "Axel's" to purchase salteñas from "Dumbo."

Really, how stupid can one get? Unfortunately, 50,000 poor Alteños will have to pay for Morales'.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morale's Katrina

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of the comments today are lies, pure lies.
As usual lying about both sides being armed, when everyone except the blind and the right wing knows and accepts that it was a masacre that the drug cartels and the predators of bolivian natural resources committed against families of poor unarmed peasants.

Have some decency, shame to you Croats.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:07 AM may be you are rigth about Evo morales BUT YOUR SIDE CAN'T MOVE HIM FROM POWER NOW . WHERE IS PROFIT HERE IS MISFOORTUNE TO OTHER.

YOUR GOD IS MONEY

11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some of you might want a laugh this mornign:

http://abi.bo/abi/banner_240_240/mandamientos.pdf

for those who don't speak english, Evo basically want to do his own version of a "leap forward" or restarting the civilization in a "Year Zero."

So far the death count is around 50, but should quickly add to millions if he gets his way.

12:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What an absolute joke of a president, I was initially against him but was hoping maybe, just maybe he'd prove me wrong.

He's incompetent and Bolivia is doomed. I've since left and surprise surprise my life is 100x better, I'm getting everyone I know out of that failed state. It's over.

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon:4:53
HOW LOG You left this failed state o? Before Evo became president or after ...don't just be a bais liar. well if there is confrentation; iT is because he is cleannig the house and the cucarachas are running away. a curOupt judicial sytem, Prefectos allowing FOREING COMPANIES (BRAZILIAN AND PERUVIANS)the deforatation of Pando, President that bankrupt the mines so he can buy it. Politicians tied with drug narcotrafikers,FROM WHERE MOST OF THE DRUG COMES OUT FROM BOLIVIA?...NEED HELP; SANTA CRUZ, PANDO, BENI. MEDIA SOLD OUT. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THERE IS IN THE RESERVE?. DID YOU KNOW BOLIVIA'S 2007 ECONOMIC GROW WAS HIGHER THAN PARAGUAY, NICARAGUA, FRENCH GUINEA AND HAITI,
WHEN YOU LIVED IN THIS FAILED STATE; THERE WAS ANY INTENTION FROM THE GOVERMENT TO EDUCATE THE COUNTRY PEOPLE OR HOW ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS; I DON'T THINK SO. WHY THOSE PIES RAJADOS NEED EDUCATION RIGTH, WHEN YOU WANTED TO INSULT TO YOU FRIEND YOU CALL THEM MAMANI, OR CONDORI.
IN BOLIVIA THERE IS RACIAL DESCRIMINATION BUT THE ONLY DIFERENCE IS THAT THERE ARE NOT "AYMARAS, QUECHUAS, GUARANIS NOT ALLOWED" SIGNS, THE RACISM IS INCORATED IN OUR SOCIETY AND THE PRESUCATOR ARE MOSTLY THE CHOLOS WHOM ARE SCARE OF THEMSELF, THERE ARE AFRAID OF THEIR OWN SHADOW. THEY DON'T RECONIZED THEIR NATIVE'S PHISYCAL CHARECTERISTICS IN THE MIRROR. THEY ARE THE SAME BEATING, CALLING NAMES (INDIOS E MIERDA)IN VARIOUS DEPARMENTS OF BOLIVIA.

IF I HAVE TO TAKE SIDES I WOULD CHOOSE eVO'S BACKERS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON
BOLIVIA IS A REPUPLIC, AND NOT
THE UNITED DEPARTMENTS OF BOLIVIA
ALSO I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE DOING 100X BETTER THAN BOLIVIA. TOMORROW DON'T FORGET TO GO THE THEIF SHOP TO POUND YOUR CAR SO YOU CAN BUY YOU GROCERIES.

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 4:53 you bore us to tears.

How about we get back to trashing your pedophile president who dreams of pre-teen girls...
His quote: " I like to make girls cry"

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 8:27 PM
If I bored you why you took the time to answer; it is because I thick a nerve. I didn't kown you talk for the rest.

The Republic of Bolivia
not
The (un)United Automonus Deparments of Bolivia
do you know the diference

8:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 8:07 AM
Was not you who said you that the USA help was uncontidinal, and wasn't you that trashed the altenos on other occassions.

things that make me go say humm

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY EVERYONE!

I SAW 2 VENEZUELAN OFFICERS KILL 3 CAMPESINOS, AFTER WHICH THEY SAT DOWN TO DRINK 8 CERVEZAS. MY COUSIN IS A VENEZUELAN, HE TOLD ME THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS BEFORE I SWEAR THIS IS THE TRUTH!!!!!1!!

Morales is the Croats Beni
The Jews are Morales Katrina.

9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buffy...

Where are you?

I gotta aks you something.

9:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buffy...Where are you?
I gotta aks you something.

Shoot the juice to me Bruce.
Squirt away.

Buffy :)

9:49 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Wow... Grindio come back. This is pathetic.

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank,but i am not Grindio. how pathetic it is? don't be so simplistic.

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some of the anti Evo comments on this site are beyond myopic but thankfully reality is different.

Evo has enormous credibility in the world stage and he has done more for his impoverished nation than all of Bolivia's 100+ presidents.

When he nationalized vital industries, he did exactly what the US and the European Union are now doing with their troubled banks.

Bolivia is now able to educate its young, help its old lead a better life and if the "prefectos" would let him, build a better infrastructure.

Evo is currently on his way to defeating the "prefectos" and "civicos" in a moral and political fashion. The world knows that that collage of "freedom fighters" are racist people intent on maintaining an unjust system at all costs.

Marinkovic, Evo's prime civico opponent, said the following in a recent interview:

"If there is no legitimate international mediation in our crisis, there is going to be confrontation," he said. "And unfortunately, it is going to be bloody and painful for all Bolivians."

The world is watching closely and even Bush's stance against the Morales administration is being challenged by the US House of Representatives. His recent call to suspend trade benefits to Bolivia was flatly denied by that political body.

Franco

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/29/america/27bolivia.php

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE48S9B420080929

4:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hold on a sec, Franco.

(uncontrollable laughter)

Whew! That was good.

Go on. Keep on making us laugh with your talk of "fashion" and "credibility."

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rigth wing like always calling names or talking none sense. for me is enougth to watch the FOx news
(FIX news) wait a minute, but they didn't said is was a opinion Channel and the news part was to atrack people,
They broadcasted a show with a Catholic father while the news rep.. was in a happy hour.

god alreay talk to the devil for you rigth winger, but he doesn't want to have an autonomus hell.

2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

President Evo Morales has an order of magnitude more credibly on the international stage than:

a. State department employees spamming this site,
b. George 'The Chimp' Fuhrer (Bush),
c. Croatian refugees, thrown out by Tito for being Nazi collaborators
d. Fascist brown shirt paramilitaries (UJC),


You, Sir, are a moron.

Morales is the Croats Beni
The Jews are Morales Katrina.

2:34 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

I really am trying to follow what some here are trying to say, and I understand that for many English is your second language, but I get lost when you try to be overly clever. Anon 2:25, what the heck are you getting at? And Franco,as to "His recent call to suspend trade benefits to Bolivia was flatly denied by that political body."... ummm the US House of Representatives can't "deny" this. They have to approve it, but if the president wants to suspend or cancel the ATPDEA, it's a done deal.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous b-dogg said...

this blog sucks now. adios amigos. i used to care what people had to say here. unfortunately, that is no longer the case. drive-by randomness and stupidity is not worth my time.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"They have to approve it, but if the president wants to suspend or cancel the ATPDEA, it's a done deal."

Norman,

To be exact,the final decision on ATPDEA now rests with the US senate. They will hopefully pass it and show this doom and gloom president that the American people are tired of being led by a man who preys on their fears (e.g. his war on terror and his most current war on the free market).

Franco

6:24 PM  
Anonymous don said...

Jim, I must take exception with your description of the Associated Press as being "a news organization that produces solid reporting." It's generally accepted that the AP has a strong Left wing bias. I guess for you, someone to the left of Barack Obama, you would characterize the AP as solid. Well, that makes sense. Political perspective is in the eye of the viewer. You are a Lefty so you see them as solid.

6:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wrong Don:

'It's generally accepted that the AP has a strong Left wing bias. I guess '

AP is not any sort of left wing organisation at all. I'd like to see evidence for that. And what do you understand by 'left/right' anyway?

Meanwhile, here is AP like any other corporate press...at work:

'How the Associated Press Lies About the Occupation of Iraq

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/17078

Ive also caught the AP lying about an attack on a UN post during israels invasion of Lebanon...where the title claiming Hezbollah had attacked the post, when it was Israels IDF, as shown by their own story.

AP is part of the corporate press, and in no way 'left wing'.


Brian

7:20 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Grindio's back. I feel better now. Franco, there's some key wording in the following you may wantto review:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021031-9.html

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman,

Grindio back? am I missing something? Grindio has jumped shipped. The days of hanging with movie stars, catching gnarly waves, and putting an intellectual smackdown on blogs are over, he's in Bolivia up to no good.

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grindio shot the Pando prefecto and the civico's sicarios shooting campesinos.

They shot him

Problema: they shoot bullets; he shoot HD video

Now he close to death in venezuela hospital

Get well Grindio

Write something to us!

1:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ufff,

Mr Bdogg is right. This blog is borrring

I have a paper due on globalization, emerging democracies, non-state actors, the role of the CIA and the cult of personality in terms of leadership of social movements

I read the recent blogs but have questions. Who is grindio and is it Brian?

Thank you,
Kathy

4:49 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

"Grindio back? am I missing something?"

"Who is grindio and is it Brian?"

Have you noticed that you never see the two of them together? It's like Clark and Superman. One disappears and the other shows up.

My apologies to Kathy and b-dogg. I haven't added a whole lot here either. This country has gotten too predictable though. End story: morales will get what he wants por lo bueno o por lo malo. He will use the law when it suits him and use extra-legal means when it does not. The Bolivian legislature is an elected body in place to represent their constituents. morales honors elections when they support him. He does not honor them when the fools put people in office that do not support him. If congress does not approve and set a date for the referendum on the CPE, he will send thousands of people to La Paz to surround congress on or about 13 October to force the legislative branch to bend to the will of the executive branch. He has all but eliminated the judicial branch.

6:59 AM  
Blogger BOLIVIA LIBRE said...

Perhaps too late to comment; sorry but I am sleeping with the enemy, I will tell you all about it later on, but here some troughs.

First, free press in Bolivia was denied access to Pando after his Governor was politically arrested and illegally kidnapped and taken to La Paz; funny thing an organization claiming working for human rights doesn’t mention that detail. So the AP, or at least its reporter, cannot be taken as a non partisan of the regime of Evo Morales. Never the less, she really had some difficulties trying to distortion the true to the benefit of the maSSist ruler, here are some.

She said; “determined to retake the offices seized in Pando's capital of Cobija, more than 1,000 Morales supporters, largely poor Indian migrants from the highland west, converged on the town in a convoy of buses and cars.
All accounts agree they got as far as the bridge over the Tahuamanu River, about 20 miles outside town, where they faced off against several hundred people — mostly mixed-race, middle class Bolivians”.

Although she tried to run the regime’s “poor dark against rich white” race propaganda, the videos that are coming from the underground free press of Bolivia, see below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3kbi894g0&NR=1

http://es.youtube.com/user/realidadboiviana

Show that the race composition of both parties were the same, that is, mixed and poor Bolivians; she even failed to mention, you all can define why, that many of the supporters of the maSSist regime were wearing colored strings as bracelets to be able to identified themselves from the other group. And no one is wandering how many died do to “friendly fire”.

Which takes me to the following comment from the AP reporter; “Morales supporters say their marchers were hunted down and shot as they fled.
Eight people were found dead that evening — two Pando provincial officials and six from the pro-Morales camp.”

So, who kill the Pando Provincial officials? Where not the maSSist mob desperately running away to safe their lives? Were not they defend less and unarmed? I guess those two must have had a hart attack from the strain of the physical activity due to the pursuit of their rivals; the bullet holes where there just for decoration.

Regarding those poor Indians, here an example of how they manage to do for a living; “as Roca's (a death maSSist supporter) body was lifted from his humble concrete tomb, his weeping widow, Maria, told the AP that her husband had been paid to join the march.”

Wait a minute, why is the people that paid Roca not seating in jail to face trail with the Governor of Pando? Isn’t he arrested for supposedly paying armed people and provoking violence? I will let you all dwell on that one also.

The below paragraph coming from the AP report is my favorite, so I left it for last.

“Morales, pushing for deep socialist reforms guided by traditional Bolivian indigenous values.”

I will have to say that I don’t remember having the words “socialist” and “traditional” mixed in one sentences trying to explain something; and I being around quite a long time. Were not those right wind monsters the “traditional” people? Or perhaps the Christian extremists?. This was an awesome way of describing Morales’ racist guidelines, we should thank AP.

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your are rigth Bolivia-libre the article is very bias.

"Although she tried to run the regime’s “poor dark against rich white” race propaganda, the videos that are coming from the underground free press of Bolivia, see below"
I agree with it 100%, but the AP report is mostly read in The United States and the European Union.
AP use the race card to justify support for the autonomy movement in those places by using tacties like they against us. Some like Bush did to get support for the war in Iraq, AP lies as well.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous just joe said...

Norm,

I share your concern but think differently in two key matters

As long as the social movements are peaceful and law abiding, they have a right to assemble. If they threaten or act violently then they and Evo cross the line.

I differ as to significance of the judiciary since they are notoriously corrupt. When the court sought to intervene on only Leopoldo's behalf I heard the rustle of mucho dinero.

I also do not think Brian is EG because he is far too polite and lacks the humor EG used to provide long ago. Besides by now he would have debated your points in a more adversarial yet entertaining tone

I think Brian is more informative and less controversial than EG

12:31 PM  
Anonymous don said...

Hey Brian, in the future instead of ticking off anonymous, tick off name and then type Brian in the box. I know it's a bit confusing, but you should be able to handle it.

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Carlos said...

I know this has nothing to do with the political situation per se but... I have heard that bolivia is in possesion of a $7 billion dollar surplus. also i know bolivia has alot of natural gas. would it not be feasible for bolivia to legalize hemp and medical marijuana in order to create sustainable and local production of a myriad of industries such as plastics, replacement of some pharmaceuticals, paper making, wood for construction, food, cloth, and fuel? would it not make sense to capitalize on the natural gas now and make money in order to enact this, other countries are already moving to others sources of energy and even though natural gas is one of them eventually better methods will become available. also the construction of these things called eco-towers (go to popularscience.com and type in search you'll find it)could they not reverse the dependance of one region on another as well as one country on another while at the same time restoring over grazed and over used land to the wild reducing pollution and energy costs? and perhaps help promote bolivia as a place for eco-tourism even though it already is, this could set it apart from many other nations. and could not any money gained be put into education to create the people who can work in newer more sustainable industries. perhaps this would prompt many bolivians to return for although it has the highest reproductive rate in south america its population has remained near constant. I am an american born bolivian and I think evo's being out of line with washington's plans would make him more willing to listen to a plan like this as it is primarily the U.S. that forced the drug war on the world.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Franco, there's some key wording in the following you may wantto review:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021031-9.html"

Thank you for the link Norman,

The upcoming presidential "proclamation" dealing with ATPEA, even if the US senate agrees to include Bolivia, will most likely exclude the "second poorest country in South America". It will not surprise me if the Monarch George once again goes against the wishes of the people.

By the way, I use the word monarch because Bush seems to have auto-proclaimed himself infallible and all knowing.

Franco

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_274145312.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=asiKJc.ow9cE&refer=latin_america

2:26 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Franco, the bill before the house and senate is a package deal. It has a whole lot more involved in it than Bolivia's part of the ATPDEA. There is no need for the House or the Senate to rewrite the entire bill just to remove Bolivia. Perhaps morales should have considered the consequences when he spent so much time continuously insulting the US at every opportunity. I would just as soon that Bolivia did not loose this benefit myself, not for morales sake but for Bolivia's. I don't see any other viable response though to morales' hostility and baseless accusations. Nice flip-flop though.

Oh, Joe, are you trying to telling me that Brian is a "mild-mannered" type? ;-) honestly, I think Brian is Grindio is Villain-in-Black, but I could be wrong. It's the blogosphere and I'll never know.


Kathy, another thought. The headlines today - 4 Departments have a shortage of diesel and gasoline again. Can you guess which four? This has happened repeatedly throughout this year. One fuel station chain seems to have fuel though when the others are out. Can you guess which one? (Starts with a Y). An observation: You can't have a revolution if the people are happy. You not only have to ensure that they are miserable, but you have to make sure they know that they are miserable. You can't be the hero without a villain. Who would Batman be without the Joker? morales needs villains. Why do you suppose the social sectors march to La Paz / Cochabamba / Sucre / Cobija / Santa Cruz? He's paying these guys 200 Bolivianos a day. Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to bus them into the city all at once? Any military unit values a rapid build up when committed. they marchthere to give their opposition plenty of time to become the villain; to get scared, to get armed, to get the adrenaline going and to fight the poor campesinos.

Look at the events leading up to every major victory of his and you can see where he ensures the people are miserable, ensures they know they are miserable, sets the stage for a conflict, and has someone (or several someones) on whom to put the blame. He thrives on a few martyrs and then sells himself as the savior / hero. Y'all have fun now. We have peace for another 12 days or so.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Román D.Ortiz. Analista político said...

Balkan-Bolivia
Por Román D.Ortiz. Analista político*

Si hubiese que culpar a un único factor de la violencia que ha marcado a Europa durante el último siglo, sin duda, todos los dedos señalarían hacia el nacionalismo étnico. La movilización política en función de la defensa de los supuestos derechos de un grupo racial a apropiarse de un territorio, imponer una cultura o monopolizar un gobierno ha servido de base para impulsar algunos de los proyectos ideológicos más letales de la historia reciente. El nacionalismo étnico fue el motor detrás del genocidio armenio cometido por los turcos durante la Primera Guerra Mundial. Desde luego, fueron este mismo tipo de ideas las que alentaron y justificaron el holocausto nazi. Y también fue el irredentismo racial el argumento de Slóbodan Milósevic para poner en marcha su proyecto de limpieza étnica en los territorios de la antigua Yugoslavia . Visto desde esta perspectiva, parece claro que la ausencia de proyectos etnonacionalistas fue una fortuna para América Latina , que en buena medida explica el relativamente menor número de grandes guerras totales sufridas por el continente. Hasta ahora...

Las cosas han cambiado de forma dramática desde la llegada de Evo Morales al Gobierno de Bolivia hace casi tres años. En su carrera hacia el poder, el dirigente cocalero boliviano desplegó un discurso que combinaba vagas ideas socialistas con un fuerte mensaje de reivindicación étnica que demandaba el derecho de la población indígena a tomar las riendas del Estado. Entonces como ahora, muchos vieron en este proyecto un imprescindible ejercicio de justicia histórica, después de que los indígenas --cerca del 60% de la población-- hubiesen sido marginados del poder durante toda la historia de la República. Pero lo cierto es que la politización de las diferencias étnicas nunca ha sido una receta para acabar con la exclusión, sino más bien para atizar los conflictos interraciales.

De hecho, el etnonacionalismo de Morales dinamitó los frágiles equilibrios de la sociedad boliviana en tres sentidos. Para empezar, su voluntad de entregar el Estado a los indígenas excluyó de las posiciones claves del Gobierno Central a los tecnócratas mejor preparados, que eran en gran medida blancos o mestizos. Además, abrió una fisura insalvable entre las zonas pobres del Altiplano de mayoría amerindia y las llanuras orientales más ricas habitadas principalmente por población de origen europeo. Dicho de otra forma, tras la llegada de Morales al poder, los blancos y mestizos de Santa Cruz y las otras provincias del este del país comenzaron a ver con escaso entusiasmo la perspectiva de continuar siendo los principales contribuyentes financieros de un gobierno del que no podían esperar un trato igualitario. Finalmente, la administración Morales utilizó su discurso populista para enmascarar una serie de medidas que prometían cambiar los equilibrios étnicos en ciertas regiones del país. Así, el proyecto de reforma agraria impulsado por el presidente boliviano en el oriente de la república incluía la idea de entregar lotes de tierra a indígenas provenientes del Altiplano en un movimiento que necesariamente tenía que ser visto por los cruceños como una amenaza a su identidad.

Para justificar semejante proyecto ideológico, el principal argumento esgrimido por los partidarios de Morales ha sido la fuerza de los votos. Desde su punto de vista, el líder boliviano disfruta de un apoyo mayoritario que lo autoriza a dar un giro radical a las reglas de juego políticas del país. Desde luego, esto ignora olímpicamente el principio del respeto a las minorías como uno de los fundamentos claves de la democracia. Pero es que, además, el comportamiento del presidente y sus seguidores está muy lejos de ser un ejemplo de pulcritud democrática. Para abrirle camino al poder, el Movimiento al Socialismo (MAS), como partido del mandatario boliviano, recurrió a una cuidadosamente orquestada estrategia de violencia organizada de masas que incluyó el desarrollo de disturbios a gran escala y el bloqueo sistemático de las vías del país. El resultado fue el derrocamiento de dos presidentes legítimos como Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada (2003) y Carlos Mesa (2005). Una vez en el poder, Morales ha continuado aplicando la misma receta. De hecho, el MAS y los milicianos de los Ponchos Rojos no han dudado en cercar por hambre aquellas regiones de mayoría opositora y recurrir a las armas para intimidar a aquellos sectores que no les son afines. La cúspide de esta estrategia ha sido intentar forzar la aprobación de una nueva Constitución a la medida del presidente sin la participación de la oposición.

Con estos antecedentes, el respaldo casi unánime otorgado a Morales en la reciente cumbre de Unasur en Santiago de Chile se parece bastante a la decisión de nombrar como jefe de bomberos a un pirómano. La prueba está en la evolución de los hechos en Bolivia durante los últimos días. Mientras gobierno y oposición se reúnen en Cochabamba bajo la atenta mirada de la ONU, la OEA y la propia Unasur, columnas de partidarios armados del presidente Morales han avanzado hacia Santa Cruz en un movimiento a todas luces destinado a amenazar a la oposición con un estallido de violencia si no aceptan someterse a las pretensiones del presidente.

Los gobiernos latinoamericanos reunidos en Santiago la semana pasada saben todo esto. Sin embargo, han optado por respaldar al Gobierno Boliviano en lo que consideran un ejercicio de 'realpolitik'. Desde su punto de vista, cualquier cosa es mejor que la posible división de Bolivia, incluida la consolidación de un régimen ultranacionalista en La Paz bajo el liderazgo de Morales. Se equivocan. Si no actúan de forma concertada para defender las reglas de juego democrático y forzar a Morales a dar un acomodo a las demandas de la oposición, los sectores que sienten su forma de vida amenazada por el proyecto etnonacionalista del MAS verán la violencia como su única alternativa. A partir de ese momento, la balcanización de Bolivia será solamente una cuestión de tiempo. Las capitales latinoamericanas deberían ser bien conscientes de que Morales no es la solución. Es el problema!!!!

* COORDINADOR DEL ÁREA DE ESTUDIOS DE SEGURIDAD Y DEFENSA. FUNDACIÓN IDEAS PARA LA PAZ .

5:22 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

(I may have gone a little over the top on that last post, but let's see what comes of it.)

5:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman:
'Oh, Joe, are you trying to telling me that Brian is a "mild-mannered" type? ;-) honestly, I think Brian is Grindio is Villain-in-Black, but I could be wrong. It's the blogosphere and I'll never know. '

You are wrong...as usual.

Brian

11:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Norman,

Thanks for telling me that "the bill before the house and senate is a package deal" and that "It has a whole lot more involved in it than Bolivia's part of the ATPDEA."

Franco

11:39 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Brian,

I'm wrong a lot. Since I'm usually pessimistic, this is a happy thing. But which part am I wrong about? Cheers.

Franco,

Don't mention it. You may have already said, but where do you write from? (which continent anyway). I get a bit antagonistic, but to be honest with you, there are a few bloggers from your side of the fence that while I disagree with them, I respect the way they present their case. Cheers to you.

6:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember once during the Banzer years (when he was democratically elected constitutional president of Bolivia) that a minister (of Labor, I think) was asked by a journalist what he thought about Bolivia's massive emigration to search for a better life. His response was (and I paraphrase), "It's sad, but at least there's less unemployment in the country). The response shocked me, but not as much as his matter of fact tone.

I thought such callousness and utter stupidity couldn't be topped, but --surprise, surprise!-- Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his band of monolito lovers never disappoint. After Bush decided to terminate ATPDEA (where tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of jobs depend on), Morales imperiously declared, "Dignity is better than having a job." Even better [worse], his minister of Labor Rivero casually stated that "only 25,000 jobs would be lost." That's what the main authorities of the hemisphere's second poorest country said --- and referring to jobs workers in the district (El Alto) that supported the government the most in the first place!

Forget economic ignorance, this is political suicide. Venezuela wants none of its lackey's products. Brazil is as protectionist as ever. EU? They have friendlier trading partners such as Peru and Colombia. It takes years to develop trust and trading partnerships. How long before alteños will march to La Paz to demand Cuchi Cuchi worshipper beg for ATPDEA benefits again --- or else?

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his band of monolito lovers never disappoint. "

You must be one of those racist Croats they keep talking about.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nah, I'm one of the very few smart and likeable bipeds in this itty bitty God forsaken blog.

Gotta love dem Croats, though.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch. - Nigel Powers

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you are a racist Croat. I've been following your posts for a while, scumbag, and I recognize your style. You espouse the same attitudes, and use the same language that anyone can find in white supremacist pages.

Occasionally, you will let something out, like now.

2:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Croats. -
??? ????????

2:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, you are a racist Croat. I've been following your posts for a while, scumbag, and I recognize your style. You espouse the same attitudes, and use the same language that anyone can find in white supremacist pages."


There they go again. MAS stands only for racism, hate, and Bush's cowboy attitute that either-with-me-or-you-are-the-Taliban's-best-friend rethoric.

Now can someone please tell me after more than two years of having the President of the Cocaleros as President:

1) Do cocaleros have title to their land?
2) Has coca started to be "industrialized"?
3) Do cocaleros have access to education (indoctrination does not count)?
4) Has the study on "traditional coca use" even started?
5) Do cocaleros have any alternative, other than becoming Brazil's drug dealers?

No

and a thousand times No

The MAS is not about change, fighting poverty, or giving Bolivianos their dignity.

The MAS is about power, money, and yes producing more cocaine.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Me, a white supremacist, 2:05? That really hurts my Afrolatino pride!

(rolling in the floor with laughter)

You're too easy.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales Katrina

3:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course Bolivians are far worse than before with Morales, 2:54. The only ones prospering (besides his minions in government) are the coca farmers, narcotraffickers, and stone monolito makers.

On the positive side, we are daily reminded by Morales what kind of haircut NOT dare to sport.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn't disagree more with the previous few posters. I've seen enough swastikas whenever the UJC is around (either online, or in person) to pay much attention to them.

A few basics:

a. Wealthy people might lose privilege.
b. They convince a few schmucks that they have common interest with them.
c. Encourage racism in Santa Cruz and elsewhere (kollas de mierda, monolito makers, cuchi cuchi worshippers),
d. Actively invade online boards, and pander to possible racists in the audience.

Items a, b, and d are those hallmarks of the online supremacist presence. And I am starting to think that it is simply a feature that is organic to the 'chusma Europea' that has caused so much trouble in the past.

Not a single time, in any of the posts I have seen some of you make (for instance, that idiot who thinks Croats are like the Jews), has a concern for the Bolivian underclass been expressed. In this case, Evo Morales' goals are superior and more idealistic than any of you armchair theorisers. It is obvious to any that more good will come about from his actions, than those by the elite-loving 'Prefectos' of the racist-fuelled 'autonomista' movement.

This is not to say, of course, that some level of decentralization is necessarily bad, per se. It's just that the methods being pursued in this regard stink.

You can all go back to nose picking, and smart alecking now.

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2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"In this case, Evo Morales' goals are superior and more idealistic than any of you armchair theorisers..."

The only superior and idealistic goal for Morales would be to get a decent haircut and fantasize of women OVER the age of, say, 15.

Beyond that, the oh-I-care-so-much-for-my-fellow-man-as-long-as-he's-Indian-and-means-me-another-Venezuelan-petrocheck proposed (auto)goals are similar to Stalin's and Mao's.

Swell dudes, huh? Y'all just don't get it.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jewish Croat:

I see you have gone back to nose picking!!

LOL!

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You idiot! You are from a ngo called democracy center and you say nothing - never did - about all the shit that mas does. Where were you when the first person was abducted by unidentified people wearing masks? Where are you now? What about the time Evo himself says he doesnot care for laws? You comment on news very selectively. And behind your wiritng is nothing more than a harvard-educated socialist! You disgust me.

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What an atrocious oxymoron! How dare you have "Harvard" and "educated" in the same sentence?

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 3:05

If Bolivia were worse of under Morales govt, his popularity wouldnt have increased, AS RECENT REFERENDUM SHOWED.

Brian

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brian, let's leave aside the intimidation and voter fraud that Morales and his minions engaged in that undoubtedly tilted the percentage in his favor. Let's leave aside the tens of thousands of Bolivians who are desperately fleeing the country for a better life.

Show me statistics where basic economic indicators (real wages, employment, production, inflation) demonstrate that Bolivians' conditions have progressed under Morales and will continue in the long term.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

2:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Croat/Nazi:
Please go home.

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3:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fernandez is Bolivia´s Mandela!!!

Dictators will perish!!

Truth will prevail!!

11:43 AM  
Anonymous Iber Galarga said...

EVO + DC = MUCHA KK

11:51 AM  
Anonymous Iber Galarga said...

WHERE THE HELL IS THIS BITCH BUFFY ANYWAYS???
YOU SEEN ER, CROATACIOUS?

HOW BOUT YOU JIM? YOU FAG!!

SHIT! THIS BLOG SUCKS!

11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is Jim,
Did he also get kidnapped by Evo's Regime?

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow the comments section used to be decent now it's like the old wild west, anything goes, it's getting old fast.

Would anybody here who has actually read the autonomy documents care to share what good or bad things it contains to us not as close to the situation.

I've heard plenty on what's wrong and right about the CPE, what about the oppositions autonomy documents.

3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This used to be a decent comments section until the radicals took over. If you dared question the need to create a "special group with special rights" within the constitution, then they accused you of being a croat-jew paid by the US Embassy to post on this blog. They were then followed by pot smoking hippies from australia or europe with no dogs in this country. The reasonable members are long gone and only the kooky croats-beni guys is left, who has devolve into name calling.

Wanna know what's wrong with the Estuto? read article 7. It is no better than the MAS CPE. Both are a joke and neither does anything to address the fundamental flaws in Bolivian society.

On another, somewhat relevant, topic, this might be a more interesting debate:

http://www.economist.com/debate/index.cfm?source=hptextfeature&action=hall&debate_id=13&sa_campaign=debateseries/debate13/events/hp/panel/

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 10:41

You silly ass!

Do you want to address the fundamental flaws in Bolivian society? That´s your assignment?

OK, for starters, any ideas should be debated by people who can actually provide some insight. What is the DC doing here?. Even if they have a dog in this country?
Do they ever, I mean ever talk about Bolivian history? Do they know about Bolivian history? Aside from comments about the 500 anniversary of the rape of Mama Ockllo, they do not! This guy Jim is confusing Bolivians and foreigners who read this blog. And he has an agenda.
He is also lying about his origins. He lied about his relation with EVO and he lied shamelessly about his relation with the SOROS corporations.
So don´t give us this bullshit about someone trying to address any problems in Bolivian society. You guys are here to cause trouble. And you are getting too far.

11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So don´t give us this bullshit about someone trying to address any problems in Bolivian society. You guys are here to cause trouble. And you are getting too far."

The above comment was most likely written by a typical core UJC member, an 'hijo de papá' who saw his future crumble as Evo took away his parents' free pool of public money by the destruction of the corrupt political/social compadrazgo.

Let's hope that the talks being held in Cochabamba bring a solution to the current crisis. The vandalism of the current weeks will soon be seen as child's play because it appears that the coming year's weather will be extremely severe.

The inclement weather and a recession which will bring commodity prices down require a strong unified Bolivia not a Bolivia ravaged by spoiled “jovenes” and their paid vandals.

Franco

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Diego said...

Franco,

How can the talks being held in Cochabamba prosper if civicos are kidnapped by masked government agents and later are being confined in military bases with no regard to due process?

Make no mistake, I don't support civicos taking institutions under any circumstance. "Tomas" are illegal and should be dealt swiftly in accordance to Bolivian law.

Nevertheless, the myriad of irregularities that the government has committed in order to try the civicos and Leopoldo Fernandez in La Paz, does not foster the dialogue in any way.

If Fernandez and all the people apprehended in Cobija and Yacuiba are found to be guilty in a court of law they should unequivocally be sent to Chonchocoro. But to continue their confinement under political pretenses and with a blatant disregard of the law, is quite frankly, revolting.

It is hard to ascertain what will happen politically in Bolivia in the next few months with Morales at the helm.

I do agree with you when you say that the next year will be a tough one.

Yet, when you only point out commodity prices and the weather you fail to acknowledge some factors that will have a pivotal role in the economy in the next year.

What effect do you think that the impending suspension of the ATP/DEA will have in the economy of Bolivia?

How about the increasing-by-the day internal debt and inflation?

What about the lack of fuel and gas? Or Bolivia's inability to produce the contracted volumes of gas with Brazil and Argentina?

It would be wise to also ponder those factors.

Diego

BTW, I am what you would call an 'hijo de papá.' I come from a privileged background and what we have, we earned through hard work and honesty. My family has never being involved with the government at any level.

Don't be so quick to to generalize, it cheapens your arguments.

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hard work and honesty. I wish that it could be true. I do not judge you or blame you. It is just so hard to believe that in Bolivia hard work and honesty can lead to richness.

Your family may be an exception, but ....as I said, in Bolivia and other poor countries most of the rich did not work hard for their wealth.

6:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the "Henious bullshitter" goes to.....

JIM SHULTZ!!!!

Yeah!!! Third year in a row, ladies and gentlement!

Sorry, Franco. You are still in second place. But quite close this year, buddy!

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