The Bush Administration 'Decertifies" Bolivia's Anti-Drug Program
Readers:This week President Morales is in the U.S. and among his goals is to lay the groundwork for better relations with the Obama administration than he has had with the Bush administration.
There are many thorny issues in the U.S./Bolivia relationship – trade issues, U.S. protection of Bolivia’s indicted ex-President, Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada, and Bolivia’s close relationship with U.S. antagonist Venezuela. But the toughest issue remains the U.S. War on Drugs in Bolivia, an issue that is likely to dominate the opening moves in the Morales-Obama relationship.
In September, the Bush administration formally “decertified” Bolivia’s anti-coca efforts, triggering among other things the administration’s removal of Bolivia from an important trade preference program, a move that could cost the country at least 20,000 jobs. To many the Bush administration move looked less like a sober assessment of Bolivia’s anti-drug efforts than it did one in a pile of retaliatory moves against Morales for his ouster of the U.S. Ambassador (whom Morales claimed was actively undermining the Bolivian government.
John Walsh, an expert on the U.S. drug war at the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA), wrote:
The Bush administration’s decision to label Bolivia as a “demonstrable failure” in drug control – and to then use decertification as the pretext for suspending trade preferences – was evidently meant to punish Bolivia for President Morales’ expulsion of the U.S. ambassador. But the decertification boomeranged because it was so obviously unjustified, underscoring longstanding complaints in Latin America that the certification process is hypocritical and decided for political reasons, rather than on the basis of the drug control record.
WOLA, along with another group, the Andean Information Network, recently published an analysis of the Bush administration’s ‘decertification decision, “Decertifying Bolivia: Bush Administration “Fails Demonstrably” to Make its Case.” That analysis was submitted to the U.S. Trade Representative as part of the administration’s public hearing process on its plans to axe Bolivia from the Andean Trade Preferences Act.
Because of the importance of this issue we wanted to bring this analysis to our readers’ attention. Below is a segment from the introduction and a link to the full analysis, which you can also go to directly here.
Jim Shultz
Decertifying Bolivia: Bush Administration “Fails Demonstrably” to Make its Case
An analysis by the Washington Office on Latin America and the Andean Information Network
On September 16, 2008, the Bush administration announced its determination that Bolivia had “failed demonstrably during the previous 12 months” to adhere to its “obligations under international counternarcotics agreements.”1 Ten days later, the Administration announced its intent to make Bolivia ineligible for benefits under the Andean Trade Promotion and Drug Eradication Act (ATPDEA), asserting that “Bolivia’s demonstrable failure to cooperate in counternarcotics efforts over the past 12 months indicates that Bolivia is not meeting important criteria” to qualify for the tariff preferences.
The Bush administration’s “decertification” of Bolivia came just days after Bolivia expelled the U.S. ambassador, whom President Evo Morales accused of conspiring against the government.3 Departing Bolivia on September 14, the expelled U.S. ambassador, Philip Goldberg, warned Bolivians that the decision to expel him “could have serious impacts that have not been appropriately weighed.”
In explaining Bolivia’s decertification at a September 16 press briefing, David T. Johnson, Assistant Secretary of State for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, remarked that the decertification “was not a hasty decision.”5 Asked specifically whether the decertification was “linked to the ambassador being kicked out or any other tit-for-tat,” Assistant Secretary Johnson said that it was not. But these protests deny the obvious – that the decision to decertify Bolivia was a reprisal against the Morales government for having just expelled the U.S. ambassador – not because of Bolivia’s supposed “demonstrable failure” in drug control.
Read the full analysis here.
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After thirty eight years of demonstrable failure, meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign nations, demonstrably aiding and abetting in multiple instances the narcotics trade, ignoring the obvious lessons of USamerican alcohol prohibition (growth of criminal cartels and corruption of law enforcement), isn't it time for the "international community" to get some fucking commons sense, and decertify the "War on Drugs"????
The US was correct in desertifying Bolivia. The US was correct removing ATPDEA benefits. End of story, no matter how much biased lefties in WOLA padded chairs whine and how much primitive racists as Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his band of monolito lovers grunt.
Cuchi Cuchi worshipper is fooling himself if things will be different with "Mr. Hopeandchange." Oh, sure, Obama might nice say something nice about Morales and Morales might grunt something about Obama; heck, they might even appear in a picture together in one of those OAS meetings, all smiles and such. But the Bolivia-US relationship will only improve after Morales is out of power and left to tend his coca backyard with his 15 year old mistress.
Brrrrrrr!
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Good for Al Capone.
Upfront, reckless and straight to the point. Care to look at my new drug trafficking street smarts handbook, Alfonso?
Anon 11:00, would you mind maybe backing up your claims with some reasons or evidence? Why was the US correct in decertifying Bolivia, when Bolivia has clearly been more effective than Columbia, which remains certified, in limiting and controling coca and cocaine production?
What about the opinions of "rightists," like the Iowan Republican Senator Robert Grassley, who was quoted in the article, expressing his distrust of the statistics given by the Bush administration?
It seems to me that anyone looking at this objectively is going to come to conclusion that Bolivia was not decertified for "demonstrably failing" to limit drug production. So why did the Bush administration choose to quote this as the reason? Because any other reason would either be even more implausible, or irrelivant. It seems pretty clear that this was in response to the expulsion of the US ambassador, so why not state it as such? Maybe because trade ought not to be about how much you LIKE a country, but on whether or not it serves your interests. This was a lame, childish move by Bush and co.
Uh, solishu, how about the evidence of vilifying and kicking out of the country the sponsor's (US) premier antidrug agency? What about kicking out the coca and cocaine grower's main competition in Chapare such as USAID? What about Morales' policies that would increase legal coca cultivation from 12,000 to 20,000 hectares—a change that would violate current Bolivian law and the 1998 UN Drug Convention?
Granted, kicking out the US ambassador didn't help, but these bilateral treaties derive in trust and cooperation -- and the US has plenty of instances that show Morales' lack of cooperation and rather utter contempt.
You talk of cherry picking data. Maybe, maybe not. What is the evidence of cherry picking statistics from the Bush administration? Statistics can be interpreted any way wants it to be interpreted, and Bush haters from WOLA and AIN are no exception.
Also, by putting Colombia in the picture with Bolivia is like comparing apples and oranges. Sure, Colombia has a tougher time eradicating coca and cocaine, but at least it's trying. DEA personnel can roam relatively freely in Colombia's territory, and its government fully cooperates with extraditions, something that can't be said of the Bolivian government. Furthermore, Bolivia isn't embroiled in a 4 decade war with a brutal narcoterrorist guerrilla protecting thousands of coca acres and hasn't bled nearly as enough blood as the Colombians fighting the narcotraffickers. Therefore, unlike Bolivia, Colombia is fully worthy of US assistance.
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Also, I don't need evidence. My opinions are enough.
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Correctomondo!
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Bush?? War on Drugs??
Isnt that like the monks who whip themselves?
What a joke.......unless you are one of the victims of this disgrace of a policy.
Who the hell still snorts coke anyway? Jesus just light up a joint or something
Dear ´Beni is Morale's Katrina´ Guy,
I wonder, do you understand how dumb you sound?
"I don't need evidence. My opinions are enough."
Yeah, who needs evidence? This is called deductive reasoning.
For the sake of what is left of the opposition, you should think about not talking, or at least think about thinking before you talk. You are not helping your own supposed cause. You make a mockery out of your own cause.
The irony in all of this is that, the more ignorance you write here, the more that you help the people that, for some reason, you have so much hatred for. You are shooting yourself in the foot, just to prove a point. I don´t doubt that you have the guns for that either.
Have fun further fracturing the opposition movement,
Sincerely,
U.R. Justplainsilly
'The US was correct in 'desertifying' Bolivia'.
Well said.
'Also, I don't need evidence. My opinions are enough'.
Welcome to the world of the Bolivian opposition.Opinions are enough, though lies serve just as well.
I wish some of you could have seen some of the news reports I watched on Unitel about Morales.I half expected a unicorn to appear some days.
It's time to unite and put all our differences aside. Only together can we come out through difficult times , and it's time.
Revolution 2012
"Uh, solishu, how about the evidence of vilifying and kicking out of the country the sponsor's (US) premier antidrug agency? What about kicking out the coca and cocaine grower's main competition in Chapare such as USAID?" According to the WOLA report, USAID was already planning to change it focus away from the Chapare and to the Yungas.
But my question is, what it the point of certification? If it is meant to show that, as you suggest, a country is making an "effort" to reduce the production of cocaine, why isn't Mexico decertified, considering they passed full legalization of cocaine? If it's meant to show that your actual production of cocaine is low, then why decertify Bolivia, when Peru and Columbia both are larger producers.
Your logic just does not compute. There are certainly countries that make less of an effort to reduce drug production than Bolivia, and there are certainly countries that actually produce more coke than Bolivia, and yet Bolivia gets decertified. It's a sham.
"According to the WOLA report, USAID was already planning to change it [sic] focus away from the Chapare and to the Yungas..." OK, what, according to lefy WOLA, was USAID's "change of focus?" Illuminate us.
Mexico "passed full legalization of cocaine?" That doesn't even pass the laugh test. Evidence, evidence!
You know, you actually wrote a funny thing: one one hand, you accuse my logic of not "computing" because the definition of "effort" against the war on drugs is subjective. On the other hand, you illogically go against your own logic that attacks my own logic by asserting that there are countries who demonstrate more "effort" than others against the drug trade. So, what's it gonna be, Spock?
I'm 100% in favor of decertifying Bolivia. It has demonstrated that its government is hostile against the US and therefore deserves no special treatment.
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PS Expect massive protest by Bolivian residents in DC against Cuchi Cuchi worshipper when he grunts in the OAS.
Bush?? War on Drugs??
Isnt that like the monks who whip themselves?
Yes. It would be interesting to see an investigation into how many hundreds of grams of cocaine Bush has snorted from Columbia, Bolivia and Peru.
Unlike the argument about the Peace Core, this move is blatantly political. The Bush administration threatened Bolivia with repercussions from exiling Goldberg, and these are the obvious results - the loss of trade deals based on certification. But, I'm not sure what Morales expected when he ejected Goldberg, he should have released any evidence of espionage he had to the international community.
But it is obvious from viewing the production figures that Bolivia does not deserve this farcical "decertification". Columbian cocaine production rose 27% in 2006, while 5% in both Bolivia and Peru. Under Morales, the rate of cocaine production has not risen much more than the slow rise seen over the past fifteen years. In fact, seizures and seizure operations are up under Morales. His government seized 20 tons of cocaine in 2007; higher than all of his recent predecessors. So while there is a small growth in cocaine production in Bolivia (a behaviour seen ever since the Chapare eradication programs of the nineties) we have seen an increased clampdown on illegal coca. So where are the figures that support this decision?
But this is foreign relations Bush-style. Morales can be relieved that this farcical episode is one of the last incidents where he will have to deal with the despicable Bush regime. He can count himself lucky the United States was occupied in the Middle-East so he did not have to suffer the consequences of regime change in Afghanistan and Iraq. After all, when you have bombed to death tens of thousands of civilians in Afghanistan, bombed tens of thousands of civilians to death in Iraq, exported your prisoners to be tortured in Egypt and Syria and used torture yourself in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and murdered thousands with cluster bombs on civilian areas breaking the Geneva Convention - then a politically motivated decertification can be put in context.
Good riddance to the evil of Bush and his cronies.
Whoa, bowsie, take a deep breath, baby! You're hyperventilating.
First of all, where is the evidence (or is it just hearsay?) from your sources? I'm especially interested in the 20 TONS of COCAINE seized in Bolivia. 20,000 kilos in 1 year!
Second, I'd like to see which sources you use to claim that TENS OF THOUSANDS of civilians were "bombed" in Afghanistan and another TENS OF THOUSANDS "bombed" in Iraq, bla, bla. You know, I was unaware you missed Hussein (the Iraqi one) and the Taliban so much!
Now that Bush is leaving, it would be interesting for you to demand an investigation how many grams/kilos of cocaine Obama admittedly snorted in his youth.
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PS You ask yourself why Morales hasn't provided the international community with his "evidence" of US spying. Have you asked yourself if he even has it? His "evidence" is hearsay, I bet!
Obvious republican troll is obvious.
Mr. Katrina,
Do you even come close to realizing how absurd you sound? Between your racist epithets, your mean spirited remarks, your specious reasoning, it is hard not to suppress a giggle at your efforts ...
Thanks anon, but since reincarnating, I am dedicated to an honest, law-abiding life, merely using the comments section to expose the hipocrisy and stupidity of the "War on Drugs"!! (of course, although I called it a demonstrable failure, for the 5% of people involved who understand the real objectives of this Imperial operation, it is more of a success, never mind that drug consumption and abuse remains a social/psychological/physiological problem that will never be resolved with military and "intelligence" operations)
Somebody is this Blogs resident CIA Psy-Ops blogger
Whose opinions are always wrong, but we understand that is his job!
I am not a racist. I just think that people with certain colr skin are stupis, which is scientifically proven.
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Here's a good piece about Evo Morales' speech at Columbia University on Tuesday: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/coca-and-the-congressman/evo-morales-speaks-at-columbia/3519/
Whoa, bowsie, take a deep breath, baby! You're hyperventilating.
First of all, where is the evidence (or is it just hearsay?) from your sources? I'm especially interested in the 20 TONS of COCAINE seized in Bolivia. 20,000 kilos in 1 year!
From the Washington Post: "Since being elected president in December 2005, Morales has promoted the coca leaf as a symbol of Bolivian nationalism, while stressing the need to fight cocaine production. His government continues to eradicate illegal coca -- plots with known links to the drug trade or grown in national parks, for example. Under Morales, the amount of cocaine seized each year has risen to the nearly 20 tons confiscated so far this year, according to government statistics."
Link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203273_pf.html
Second, I'd like to see which sources you use to claim that TENS OF THOUSANDS of civilians were "bombed" in Afghanistan and another TENS OF THOUSANDS "bombed" in Iraq, bla, bla.
The United States has broken the Geneva Convention in both Afghanistan and Iraq by not providing an official count of civilian casualties. However, there is plenty of independent evidence for these figures.
Documented and configured death tolls from US bombing from September '01 - May '03 in Afghanistan is around 3,400. (Peer Reviewed work on the subject - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/ijur/2002/00000026/00000003/art00016)
The United Nations has shown that UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) civilians have been killed in air strikes by the United States this year alone. (http://middleeast.about.com/od/afghanista1/a/me081012.htm).
Here is a complete list of civilian deaths and those from bombing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#Civilian_casualties_.282001-2003.29
A quick count shows nearly ten thousands confirmed deaths from 2001 to now because of bombings. Considering these figures are incomplete (no reliable list for 2004) it is safe to assume that over ten thousand Afghan civilians have been killed because of Coalition bombing.
As for Iraq, there is hard evidence that around a hundred thousand people died as a result of aerial bombardments, almost exclusively coalition.
The Opinion Research Business puts casualties at around 1 million, 9% of that through aerial bombing. Lancet (the disputed study) puts the aerial death toll of civilians at well above a hundred thousand. Iraq Body Count has confirmation of over ten thousand aerial bombardments deaths.
There is plenty of studies showing that civilian deaths from Coalition bombing in Iraq is well over ten thousand civilians. In Afghanistan, it is in and around the ten thousand mark.
Regardless of arguments, it is clear that vast multiples of the 3,400 killed in the twin towers we killed by US and coalition bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan. The manner of these bombings (many in civilian areas) and the user of cluster bombs in civilian areas constitutes a war crime.
You know, I was unaware you missed Hussein (the Iraqi one) and the Taliban so much!
The crimes of the Taliban and Hussein do not condone the indiscriminate bombing to death of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. "With us or against us" just went out earlier this November. Hussein, the Taliban and the Bush Administration are all villains of the past several years.
Now that Bush is leaving, it would be interesting for you to demand an investigation how many grams/kilos of cocaine Obama admittedly snorted in his youth.
Bush is a self-confessed alcohol and cocaine addict. Obama is not, nor is there any evidence that he was.
PS You ask yourself why Morales hasn't provided the international community with his "evidence" of US spying. Have you asked yourself if he even has it? His "evidence" is hearsay, I bet!
I don't think he has any.
Bowsie, fair enough with your 20 tons source from WashPo. I didn't realize there was so much drug production in Bolivia. I guess these seizures happen so many times it's not even worthy of news anymore.
I couldn't get into your ingentaconnect source.
Regarding your "complete list of civilian deaths" wikipedia website, at the very top it states "The neutrality of this article is disputed." 'Nuff said. "It's safe to assume" assumptions are not enough, either regarding Afghanistan or Iraq. By the way, do you have any "tens of thousands" statistics of those killed by the Taliban and/or the terrorists/Madhi army, etc in Iraq? In other words, are you able to compare how many were killed by the US-NATO forces as compared to by the terrorists? I notice how you use only one word describing the hundreds of thousands murdered by the Taliban and Saddam: "crimes." Huh?
The sad part of your reasoning is that you equate the actions of the US killing civilians while combating terrorists (and do everything they can trying to avoid civilian casualties) with those of the Taliban or Al Qaeda, who purposefully kill civilians and who fight in their midst in order to maximize the potential that the US will kill them (the civilians) and receive selective worldwide condemnation. Even your middleeast source states, "Needless to say, American forces don’t set out to raid civilians..." If more thought like you, Hitler would have won WWII or slavery would still exist in the US. Thank goodness there aren't!
Speaking of something else...
Oh, sure that Obama drank alcohol and tried drugs. In his own autobiography he wrote: "Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final fatal role of the young would-be black man." Obama said he mostly smoked marijuana and drank alcohol, but occasionally snorted cocaine when he could afford it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-501872/Obamas-drug-past-come-haunt-US-Presidential-campaign.html
If that isn't addiction, I don't know what is. Where does it say Bush is a "self-confessed addict?"
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PS I don't think Morales has any evidence either.
Yawn...the hypocrisy of the left is still as shameless as usual. Mention that coca and cocaine production has risen in Boliva and all they say is Bush, Iraq, Guantanamo. So it seems that the immorality of the US, justifies their own shortcommings.
So can you lefties please explain to me how is it the US', DEA', USAID's fault that Achacachi natives burned people alive a couple of days ago? I think the number of victims rivals that of the "massacre" at Pando. Of course since this was done by Morales' supporters, you are all turning a blind eye or worse yet, justifying it.
How hard is it to understand that chapare coca is not about dignity but about cocaine? Please hippies go back to your commune and stop poisoning My Country with your "alternative" view of the world. You are no different that the cowboys that distrubuted whiskey and small pox contaminated blankets to native americans.
Man, am I late weighing in on this one. It's been a busy couple of days though. So, the premise is that the US decertification of Bolivia due to its "demonstrable failure to cooperate in counternarcotics efforts" was unwarranted. The AIN and WOLA further argue that Bush cherry picked statistics. AIN / WOLA as well as some bloggers picked up the argument that Bolivia has been more effective than Colombia. Let's look at the evidence available and decide if Bolivia has been cooperating in the counternarcotics effort (as if there were really any question).
A major source of information on the subject is the 2008 UN World Drug Report, an annual document the UN puts out addressing the drug situation throughout the world. The New York Times misinterpreted this report in early November ( Bolivia Suspends U.S.-Backed Antidrug Efforts, 1 Nov 2008) claiming that according to the UN, "Bolivia’s coca crop increased by 5 percent in 2007 — far below the 27 percent jump recorded in Colombia" From this sloppy work, various bloggers took up the battle cry. However if you actually read the report, you clearly see that the data comes from misquoting or misreading the Executive summary on page 8. The Drug Report refers to a 5% increase and 27% increase in land cultivated for coca crops,/i>, not an increase in coca production. Land cultivated does not equal crops produced. In Colombia where the area of land cultivated expanded by 27%, the newly cultivated land turned out to be a very poor yielding area. Due to the poor yield and effective cooperative eradication efforts, potential cocaine production potential actually decreased by 2% from 610 to 600 metric tons (section 3.1.3 page 237).
As to Bolivia, Section 1.3 of the report covers general trends in the Coca / cocaine market while section 3.1.2 gives the statistical analysis for Bolivia. Both coca cultivation and coca production are most definitely on the rise and have been throughout the Morales presidency. In fact, there has been a 30% increase in potential cocaine production from 2005 to 2007 from 80 metric tons in 2005 to 104 mts in 2007 (see the chart at the bottom of page 234). During that same 2 year period, Colombia saw more than a six percent decrease from 640 to 600 metric tons. (See the chart at the top of page 239.) It's clear even without getting into intent that Colombia is heading in a positive direction while Bolivia is not. But we all knew this as soon as a coca farmer entered the presidential suites.
This information is readily available in the UN documents and press releases. While AIN / WOLA point out the comparative increase in cultivated lands, they blithely ignore the actual results. If they are unable to correctly interpret the data themselves, they can read the UN press release on the matter which clearly states:
Even with the significant increase in coca cultivation, cocaine production in Colombia (the world's biggest producer) remained almost unchanged in 2007 (at 600 mt). Lower yields are caused by exploitation of peripheral coca plots - smaller, more dispersed, in remote locations. "In the past few years, the Colombian government destroyed large-scale coca farming by means of massive aerial eradication, which unsettled armed groups and drug traffickers alike. In the future, with the FARC in disarray, it may become easier to control coca cultivation
Cherry-picking seems to be a bipartisan art form.
As to morales massive cocaine seizures, I predicted that when he took office. Increased coca production leads to increased cocaine production. When there's a lot more cocaine out there, there will be more and bigger seizures. Morales then claims this as evidence of his success when it is in fact evidence of his demonstrable failure in counternarcotics efforts.
It seems that Bolivia was on notice last year that this might happen…
Briefing on Release of Annual Report on the Major Illicit Drug Producing Countries for FY 2008
Now, I just want to speak a little bit on Bolivia. I'll take some questions at the end, so keep that in mind. In Bolivia, the Bolivian counternarcotics cooperation has been what we consider uneven. The government's policy of zero cocaine but not zero coca, which -- that is a direct quote. It has focused on interdiction there. The Bolivian Government has cooperated with us on some interdiction and some operations and seizures have reached fairly high levels, at least record levels recently.
The government appears to be on track to reach their cultivation -- or to reach the 5600 hectares of eradication this year. Nonetheless, coca cultivation has increased. We know that and Bolivia remains the third-largest coca producer in the world. The U.S. strongly encourages Bolivia to make reductions and eventual elimination of the excess coca crops and make that their number-one priority is what we ask of them. We also urge Bolivia to revamp its natural -- national drug control strategy and it's important that Bolivia adopt and implement a modern anti-money laundering and counterterrorism financing law, take concrete steps to strengthen and better enforce precursor chemical controls, and they need to enhance asset forfeiture programs in their country.
Again from last year... (This is fun!)
QUESTION: Regarding Bolivia, you mentioned -- you had some positive assessment for them, but they did say even -- the Administration said even a year ago that they need to eradicate this crop. And currently -- the current report says they're just on track to eradicate. It's been a whole year. Why do you accept the delay on that?
MS. MCCAMPBELL: Well, they are meeting the minimal standards of cooperation, but they are -- they are working on it. They -- we think that they'll probably have managed to eradicate 5,600 hectares this year. That's less than what they've done in the past. But they are doing something.
Hey, about that, "massive protest by Bolivian residents in DC against Cuchi Cuchi worshipper when he grunts in the OAS."
Wow, impressive, ten people in the largest community of Bolivians in the U.S. Looks like you must spend a lot more time posting on Blogs than organizing. What would 20 people have been, a Tsunami?
You see, anon 8:03, no matter how you put it, Morales and his admirers lose. If, as you say, there were only 10 people protesting, Cuchi Cuchi worshipper is more a scaredy cat than he looks like if he can't face so few people and instead decides scurry out of OAS' through its back door.
The truth is that were many more people protesting, just as washpost and elnuevoherald have demonstrated (many more, I bet, who ever protested in front of Goni's house in Maryland). Regardless of the amount of people protesting, what's important is the symbolism to the international community: that Cuchi Cuchi worshipper is not universally accepted by Bolivians.
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Regarding your "complete list of civilian deaths" wikipedia website, at the very top it states "The neutrality of this article is disputed." 'Nuff said.
This is lazy. I gave several sources. The Wikipedia article is a gateway to confirmable references. It is meant as a starting point to proof, not a source in itself. I assume you are making this argument on false pretences.
"It's safe to assume" assumptions are not enough, either regarding Afghanistan or Iraq. By the way, do you have any "tens of thousands" statistics of those killed by the Taliban and/or the terrorists/Madhi army, etc in Iraq? In other words, are you able to compare how many were killed by the US-NATO forces as compared to by the terrorists? I notice how you use only one word describing the hundreds of thousands murdered by the Taliban and Saddam: "crimes." Huh?
I notice you've swept aside the thousands of civilians killed in the bombings. Their lives are nothing but an annoyance in your quest for ideological certanty.
I haven't mentioned the Talbian or Sadaam's death counts. Because I was talking about US policy. For the record, criticising the bombing to death of tens of thousands of civilians by the United States is not a defence of Sadaam or the Taliban. For the record, I was opposed to Sadaam Hussein while the United States was supplying him with satellite photography and the ingredients for mustard gas while he murdered tens of thousands of his own Kurdish citizens. I was against him when he slaughtered tens of thousands of Shia civilians in the Shia uprising that was betrayed by George Bush Snr, when he asked them to rise up against Sadaam and left them to be slaughtered.
As for the Taliban, I was opposed to them when they throwing acid at girls for going to school, at the same time Dick Cheney was negotiating with the Taliban (at the White House) for oil pipelones. I was also against their ideology when the CIA funded them in the war against the Russians. Just like I was against the Northern Alliance when they and their US allies massacred villages.
Hussein and the Taliban committed their worst atrocities at the time when the United States was their firm ally. Even after Sadaam had liquidated Kurdish villages with chemical attacks, the United States still supplied him with chemical weapons, despite having the intelligence reports on their desk of what their weapons were doing. So don't talk about American morality to me. It doesn't exist in this context.
The Taliban, Hussein and the United States. They are all disgusting arbitrators of horrible atrocities in the Middle East.
The sad part of your reasoning is that you equate the actions of the US killing civilians while combating terrorists (and do everything they can trying to avoid civilian casualties) with those of the Taliban or Al Qaeda, who purposefully kill civilians and who fight in their midst in order to maximize the potential that the US will kill them (the civilians) and receive selective worldwide condemnation. Even your middleeast source states, "Needless to say, American forces don’t set out to raid civilians..."
How can you make opinions of my reasoning when I haven't laid it out?
The United States bombs civilian areas with purported military targets. This can be a military installation or a human target. In a vast number of cases, civilians are killed in these bombings, and this is known in advance. If this is your idea of avoiding civilian deaths, then we share a different morality. The United States employs widespread bombing to avoid the use of their own troops, because they cannot afford the political reprecussions of troop deaths. Because of this increased bombing, in civilian areas and in violation of the Geneva Convention, they kill numerous civilians. The US military has to have pre-planned clearance from the Defence Department before they carry out attacks that can lead to civilian deaths. Donald Rumsfeld approved over 500 of such attacks in the first six months of the Iraq war, he rejected none. This is a man who knowingly sent thousands of civilians to their death, so dont talk to me about avoiding civlilian deaths. It is patently absurd and revolting.
If more thought like you, Hitler would have won WWII or slavery would still exist in the US. Thank goodness there aren't!
As for World War II, Hitler was beaten mainly by the sacrifices of 6 million Red Army deaths. The carpet bombings of cities like Dresden and Cologne had little effect of the final outcome of the war. It had already been substantially decided at Stalingrad by Russian lives.
Get your facts about history straight before you bring up irrelevant Hitler analogies.
Go, Bowsie, go!!
Perhaps Bolivia Libre and her ilk will
listen to reason and logic. Then again, NOT!
B G
15 December the ATPDEA officially ends. Question: if Brazil and Venezuela ca nreplace the US market, why weren't they adding to the market for the last 3 years?
HEY ! I would like to know why bush pardoned 2 or more cocaine dealers/users??? Can someone tell me how a president supposedly fighting a war on drugs pardons drug users and creeps like that?
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