Thursday, January 15, 2009

A Strange Campaign Over an Uncertain Constitution

Bolivia is ten days away from a national vote that by all measures ought to be a historic watershed – to approve or not a sweeping new national constitution.

Yet the streets are quiet. Neither here in urban Cochabamba where I work nor in rural Tiquipaya where I live, have I seen anyone handing out leaflets. There are no auto caravans roaming the streets with loudspeakers. There are no armies of campaigners wearing Si! or No! t-shirts. I've seen no announcements for big rallies in the stadium. All of the usual trappings of popular Bolivian election campaigning seem to be hiding in hibernation somewhere, as if everyone just sort of forgot.

How would Jesus Vote?

The airwaves however are a different story. My television watching friends (since television is the devil I don't own one) tell me it is wall-to-wall propaganda by both sides, most of it so over the top that facts aren't even a light consideration.

One ad, seeking a No vote, touts a bloody fetus and declares that the new constitution would legalize abortion. It doesn't, nor does it come close to doing so. Another ad shows two men kissing, beckons voters to "not be a part of the sin" and urges a No vote. The new constitution includes vague language about discriminatation based on sexual orientation. The best ad of the bunch features side-by-side images of President Evo Morales, the constitution's main promoter, with Jesus Christ (who to my knowledge has remained neutral so far). Declaring that the new constitution eliminates religious rights (another, 'it doesn't') the ad asks voters, "Whose side are you on?"

Jesus, who has not run for public office in Bolivia, is a popular figure here.

Morales and his MAS party aren't staying out of the exaggeration Olympics in all this either. Their ads proudly proclaim that the new constitution would put the nation's natural resources into the hands of the people. But the actual articles, especially after the huge compromises made in October, leave things a good deal mushier than that.

A Long Way from the Original Vision

The Bolivian demand for a new constitution did not begin this month or with the election of Evo Morales in 2005. It has been a demand for decades from the nation's long-marginalized indigenous majority, who see in the current constitution the vestiges of legally-enforced privilege and of old colonialism.

Their vision of how a new constitution would come about is almost tragically different than what has transpired. Their dream was of a process outside of politics, a Constituent Assembly of citizens from their communities that would mirror the communitarian decision-making process of their pueblos. In the end they got their constituent assembly, though one so dominated by political parties that you had to be a member of one to be a delegate. Then even that went out the door as political parties met behind closed doors in Cochabamba and adopted 100 amendments, as part of a desperate reach for a compromise that would pave the way for the January 25th vote and steer the nation past the bloody conflicts that broke out over the constitution and other issues in September.

As many critics have noted: If this was government of the people, by the people and for the people, it was a really small number of people who made the decisions.

What would the New Constitution Really Mean?

With 411 separate articles, stretching across a range of issues as wide as the imagination, the number of people who genuinely understand the real implications can probably be counted on two hands. I am not among them, nor have I ever had any desire to be. Nevertheless, if one listens to the various proponents and critics, and talks to any of the genuine experts, the big issues seem to come to this:

Political Reforms

You want my opinion? I think it really all came down to this, issues of how the political playing field would be laid out that will affect the fortunes of politicians and their constituencies for decades to come.

Evo wanted unlimited opportunities for reelection, or at least two (the current constitution forbids back-to-back terms for President). The opposition wanted none. They compromised on one reelection term, in a vote that would take place next December.

MAS wanted to abolish the Senate, the opposition strong hold, and have a unicameral Congress. The opposition likes the status quo. They compromised on increasing the Senate by nine seats and establishing, for the lower house, that a certain undetermined number of districts will be reserved for indigenous community representatives, elected in a manner to be chosen by those communities according custom.

Land Reform

This was going to be the 'big enchilada' of constitutional reform, or one of them. The large land tracks of the wealthy were going to be divided up and handed out to campesinos who had none. If Morales and MAS had redistribution of wealth on their minds when elected, this was going to be where it really happened, which is, of course, why so many wealthy landowners in places like Santa Cruz went so utterly bananas.

How does it look now? Under the compromise amendments approved in October, if you have huge tracts of land and you are using them in some form of production (which could be just chasing one small herd of cattle around to its various corners), you are in the clear. Productive land got 'grandfathered' in, meaning it is exempt from any changes. If some of that big land is just sitting around drying out, it will be in the government's sights, and the policy on compensation is as vague as Cochabamba street directions.

Anybody who buys land in the future will be limited by the new constitution, if it is approved. Whether the cap is 5,000 hectares of 10,000 hectares will be decided by a parallel vote on the 25th.

Gas and Oil

Back in the people's hands? Well, not quite. The Morales approach to gas and oil has never been confiscatory, despite silly claims otherwise. It has been 'renegotiation,' not 'nationalization' and the new constitution does little to alter that course. The pre-compromise version said that the government could contract with private oil and gas companies to perform certain services. The language won by Morales adversaries amended that to let oil firms join in 'risk sharing' arrangements with the government. That is also called co-ownership and is a far cry from, "It was your gas, now it's our gas, thanks."

National Health Care Services

Called 'Social Security" here, this is an issue which has drawn criticism from the left (which is ample). The pre-compromise version of the new constitution declared that these services would be free to all. The new version only guarantees "access". Any good policy student worth her salt knows the difference here. Guaranteed access means you can have it if you pay, and how much is unclear.

Will it Make a Difference?

There are certainly, amidst 411 articles, many other issues – from education to indigenous and regional autonomy – and many points of view on them (though not from Jesus, to my knowledge). There are also other criticisms. I spoke about the new constitution recently with former President Eduardo Rodriguez, as legitimate a constitutional scholar as the nation has (he was also formerly President of the Supreme Court). He pointed out some simple problems of consistency. In one article the new draft guarantees the right to declare oneself a conscientious objector and in another declares military service to be obligatory. How conflicts like that one will get worked out is anyone's guess.

Amidst all the unknowns and the vagaries of the constitution being put before the people in ten days, one thing is quite crystal clear. For the vast majority of the people the vote on January 25th will not be about the specifics contained in 411 articles but how they identify with the process of 'change' represented by Morales.

It will be an emotional vote. If it passes, as expected, some opponents will weep that the end of the world is at hand. Perhaps the U.S. Embassy will see a spike in applications for visas, as it did after Morales' 2005 election. Supporters of the new constitution will similarly weep with joy, and will proclaim the vote as a clear mandate for a break with the past and a move forward to a Morales-dominated political future.

But the fact is that a new constitution will likely change little here. It will not make the buses less crowded. It will not create better paying markets for the corn crops growing in my neighbors' fields. It will not improve the quality of the teaching or the learning at the public schools set to start up again next month. It will not give people yearning for opportunity much new chance of employment.

These things will depend on what they have always depended. Will Bolivia's economy take a huge hit as the global economy festers? Will Bolivia have the public resources to meet the desperate needs for investment in education, health, and infrastructure? Will the government, at every level, break through the poly-partisan habits of public corruption and inefficiency that siphon off those resources before they do the people any good?

Why haven't I dedicated hours developing detailed analyses of the 411 articles (other than my natural laziness and that weeklong bout with 90,000 hiccups)? Because after 11 years in Bolivia (and seven governments) I know enough to know that what counts is people's day-to-day lives and I know the difference between what effects them and what doesn't.

On January 25th Bolivians will go to the polls with great hope and great emotions. But a lot of them will be a lot more concerned that the rains keep falling and that someone will buy their corn at a good price.

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52 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I liked your article, Jim. It has been quiet in the Yungas as well. Lots of drinking, though. Another referendum, another day off work, another excuse to drink some garapiña. Interesting question you ask: do people even really know what they're voting for? I already fell asleep halfway through the preamble.

You ask, how would Jesus vote? I suspect the Lord of Hosts would whup Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's scrawny rear for being a pathological and corrupt liar, a violent thief, a promoter of violence and ignorance, a pedophile wannabe, a failure as a trombone player and soccer, and an unrepentant defiler of decent haircuts around the world.

(feel free to add to Morales' "virtues")

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

4:31 PM  
Blogger X trader said...

Great article, alot of information for someone that is trying to understand the situation in bolivia. How does this vote effect outside investors,such as mining companies. Do you think this will effect foreign investments. thanks for info

8:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish 25 Jan would be over, just like I wish 20 Jan would be over soon. Constitution and Inaguration. Will it make a difference? I sincerely hope so.
The croat jew from Yungas seems to be in trouble. If Jesus was alive, would he be for the Palestinians or the zionists? For Evo or the oligarchs in Santa Cruz?

4:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys have it all wrong. If Jesus were alive, he would be pleading for peace and justice and for both sides to "come to me since you are weary and burdened". He would scold BOTH the Israelis and the Palestinians, BOTH the MASistas and the UJC. BOTH Bush and Obama.

Salvation isn't coming to Bolivia on the 25th nor to the US on the 20th. We are all imperfect people.

Jim uses Jesus' name several times; he's a journalist (ex-economist) that's trying to make his point. [Some would call that "using the Lord's name in vain...] I wish he'd delve into Who Jesus really is, come to a better understanding and then make the comparisons.

7:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim an ex-economist? Huh?

For 4:40 AM: Jesus IS alive, you deambulating soul.

It was refreshing to see Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's "big brother" Lula scold him yesterday in front of all the TV cameras on how to govern. It was more hilarious to hear Morales whine afterwards.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

9:12 AM  
Anonymous Arturo von Vacano said...

Why do you allow this stupid trash? If people are not decent enough to sign what they write, why do you deal with them as if they were responsible people? Is this your idea of "democracy"? These childish games do not help anybody.
Only a mentally defective sick man can write like this fascist writes to use your site for his dirty propaganda. And you let him do this? Those who sent you to Bolivia... can they be happy with this "democracy" of yours? Or are you another fascist pretending to be a "democrat"? Please go back to the U.S. asap. You are not helping anybody. Arturo von Vacano

10:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yo, "Vee-Vee," it's called freedom of speech! It's something that Jim obviously tolerates. His blog, his rules. Ya dig?

You may crawl now back into the little hole you came from and ponder about your insignificance.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

10:59 AM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

Brilliant piece of blogging Jim; Preparing yourself the path to have an excuse to say “yo no fui” when the piece of crap new constitution starts the impossible task of being implemented in the near future; I didn’t expect lees from you.

So, you didn’t read the “current” proposal that is going to go to the urns; I guess it really hurt your ego they changed some of the things you helped write in the bloody, and illegal, proposal presented in Oruro.

Arturito, I will explain it with chuis to you so you might learn something. Jim never “deals” with the people writing in this blogs because he isn’t capable enough to do it, so he never replies to the comments. Regarding fascism, the mentally defective ones and the racist populist ones, believe their web page should only have comments that represents their narrow point of view and still think is a democrat. Jim is neither but you can choose the one that better fits you fascistic philosophy.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My guess is that he never replies because you are all such a bunch of self- righteous fools who don't even use your names. Of course he doesn't think it is worth his time. What little whiners.

Arturo

4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So basically Jim, you haven't read the constitution nor spoken with any of the "handful" of people who do understand it. Why don't you use your authoritative "11 years of experience" and do one of those things and then get back to us. You've only had three years since the Constitute Assembly's invocation to watch the text develop and form a genuinely authoritative opinion.

8:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are against the new constitution?
Croat Jews and arab thiefs like Marinkovick and Daboud
Facist from the Banzer dictatorship like Costas and all the camba civicos
Sold outs like Cossio, Sabina, the Goni lone ranger Tonto
Catholic pedophiles who screw the rich kids in elite catholic schools
Stupid wanabes who have not even read the constitution like most cholos in the Zona Sur and Equipetrol
Criminal and corrupted politicians from the MIR, ADN, PODEMOS and the like
Dumm asses like the intelectual wanabes such as Carlos Meza

Why? Becuase they want to keep the apartheid, slavery and their easy corrupted fortunes the way it is.

Bolivia will be free from these parasites Jesus and Che will jump of hapiness once justice democracy and all these crooks are out of business

9:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I doubt that Jesus will jump of happiness. Che certainly won't as he's dust; he never rose.

Enter new corrupt politicians who will screw the Bolivian people in a whole new way.

7:16 PM  
Anonymous phillegitimate said...

Without a trace of sarcasm i can say that i actually did like and appreciate this article. thanks for making sense of the issue for us lay people.

and if you want to see the armies of campaigners and the loudspeakers, come to Sucre. Every plaza has its rally, and while most of these are defiant NOs, there are also some timid YESes.

and while both YES and NO factions have a lot to answer for in their campaigning, it's only the NO people that add 'con sangre y muertos' to their flags, which to me seems a little more aggressive than is necessary.....

2:57 PM  
Blogger bowsie said...

The Israelis are the good guys

I must remember to make that claim next time I shell 400 children to death in three weeks.

3:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about the Pakistanis are the good guys? The Iraqis? The Iranians? The Nazis?

How many innocent children were killed by religious suicide bombers during the past five years? 400, 4000, 40000?

Perhaps the world should get it's priorities straight.

6:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are no good guys in the conflict, like in Bolivia the only good guys is section of the population that is apolitical and is hostage to the actions of radicals. Hamas IS a terrorist organization, that is bombing and sending suicide bombers against innocent civilians. Iran is behind them and they do not care for the wellbeing of the average palestinian, they only care for power and influence in the region. Israel is hostage to a perverse conclave of religious radicals and politicians who promote ilegal settlements and complete embargo and control of palestinians in order to either rebuild the temple or gain the vote of the right of center wing.

You can see similar behaivior in Bolivia with Evo and the wealthy elites. Both side do not care about the well being of the average Bolivian who does not eat, drink, breathe politics everyday, but is hostage to road-blocks, strikes, posturing "hasta las ultimas consequencias" and other radical behaviour from both side, whose ultimate goal is to gain power and not to erradicate poverty and misery.

10:37 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

How many innocent children were killed by religious suicide bombers during the past five years? 400, 4000, 40000?

Around 700 Israeli civilians have been killed since 2000, or the beginning of the second intifada to the current war was nearly 6000. Israel murdered over 9 Palestinian civilians for every Israeli civilian.

Their record for murdering civilians is higher in this war. A conservative estimate of Palestinian civilians killed in the Gaze conflict is 700 of 1300 total, but including police bumps this well above 1000.

Hamas have murdered less than 5 Israeli civilians.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You missed the point, 11:57, Hamas is a terrorist group, one of many. HOW MANY have they collectively killed?

Of those that were killed by Israeli weapons, how many were sitting (studying, playing, etc) next to Hamas rocket launchers, strategically place their by their terrorist brothers...?

Who is the more guilty of the two sides?

My vote is that Hamas is far more guilty than Israel for the deaths.

3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I'm in an all out war for my survival, you bet I will lay much more destruction on the enemy than him on me. Israel is still fighting with one hand tied behind their backs. If they were truely the evil state most left wing idiots like Evo and Hugito claim they would have totally wiped out, not Hamas, or Hezbolla, but the civilian population. On the other hand Hamas and Hezbolla totally disregards international law by intentionally targeting civilians the mojority of the time. The issue is they are too inept to carry out their desires.
No wonder Evo wants to cozy up to their primary patron ... Iran

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

With this constitution ... Bolivia is one step closer to the Cuban Socialist dream.
This is what you can expect from democracy loving leaders like Kishner once you reach it.
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2009/01/19/um/m-01842645.htm

4:12 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

"You missed the point, 11:57, Hamas is a terrorist group, one of many. HOW MANY have they collectively killed?"

Anon 3:32,

Your "point" is baseless and masks Israel's state terrorism by providing a bogus rationale for immoral acts.

Your logic is fallacious. At a minimum it commits the fallacy of hasty generalization by categorizing innocent children with all others that vaguely and ambiguously could be included within those you allude to as having "collectively killed".

In a just world-Omert and your colleagues (as well as Bush, Cheney and certain Hamas leaders)-would all be tried for war crimes.

Meanwhile back to your desk and your task of spreading misinformation so as to muddle the global debate that condemns Israel's current government. You guys are fooling nobody. We all can see that you are advancing a scheme to murder civilians so as to drive them from land you seek to seize land. A goal that is secondary to political goals like gaining seats next election.

5:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grindio, your rationale about calling Israel's actions of defending itself against a terrorist group such as Hamas -- which shields itself behind women and children while trying to murder (and elicit the supposedly indignant reaction of the "useful idiots" of the world as yourself and bowsie) as many as possible from the other side -- as "war crimes" or "murder" is as mistaken and poorly thought as your investment decisions.

In this mess that is called the Middle East, the Israelis are the good guys, and that's a fact.

As always, you're on the wrong side of history and common sense. Prepare to be disappointed with 4 more years of "da Bama" as he continues to vindicate Bush by continuing with his major policies.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

8:54 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Israel's claims of self-defense do not pass the smell test and lack any sense of proportionality. Those claims are subterfuge. They mask a shameful reality:
WITH BUSH'S WEAPONS AND BILLIONS IN US "AID", ISRAELIS ARE THE NEW NAZIS:

1)GAZA IS ISRAEL'S AUSCHWITZ
A leading Vatican cardinal compared Israel's occupation of Gaza to a concentration camp:"Defenseless populations are always the ones who pay," Renato Cardinal Martino told the Italian daily Il Sussidiario. "Conditions in Gaza increasingly resemble a big concentration camp."
(Martino is head of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace).

2) WHITE PHOSPHOROUS IS ISRAEL'S ILLEGAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Israel's use of US manufactured white phosphorus-supplied by Bush-against civilians (mainly women and children) is against international law. see video evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMR5D9HfsJE

Anon 8:54PM's almost seventy word run-on sentence is another of his typical incoherent ramblings. It fails to make an argument that is verifiable or sound. His confused statement of value ("Israelis are the good guys") does not make it a statement of fact. The facts speak for themselves.

Just because the US media, Democrats and Republicans ignore Israel's transgressions against humanitarian law, that does not mean "Israelis are the good guys". Their current administration are evil-doers who provide grist for the mill of hatred and revenge that fuels terrorism. It perpetuates a cycle of violence in the Middle East.

It also creates a bottomless pit for billions of dollars of US taxpayer funds. That money should be cut from Israel in the same way that the US should not fund the Santa Cruz racist separatists. US taxes are needed to be spent in the US to correct the economic damage done by the worst president in US history, George W. Bush. Not a penny more should be spent killing innocent women and children in the Middle East. Only then can the US return to being the "good guys".

4:51 AM  
Anonymous el grindio said...

Prepare to be disappointed with 4 more years of "da Bama" as he continues to vindicate Bush by continuing with his major policies.

How is it that Obama "continues to vindicate Bush by continuing with his major policies"? Obama is not president yet. He cannot continue anything or stop anything until he takes the oath tomorrow January 20, 2008.

4:57 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Regarding what Obama might do as to Bush's policies, Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said it best yesterday in the NY Times:

Forgive and Forget the Crimes of the Bushies? I Don't Think So
By Paul Krugman

Last Sunday President-elect Barack Obama was asked whether he would seek an investigation of possible crimes by the Bush administration. "I don't believe that anybody is above the law," he responded, but "we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards."

I'm sorry, but if we don't have an inquest into what happened during the Bush years -- and nearly everyone has taken Mr. Obama's remarks to mean that we won't -- this means that those who hold power are indeed above the law because they don't face any consequences if they abuse their power.

Let's be clear what we're talking about here. It's not just torture and illegal wiretapping, whose perpetrators claim, however implausibly, that they were patriots acting to defend the nation's security. The fact is that the Bush administration's abuses extended from environmental policy to voting rights. And most of the abuses involved using the power of government to reward political friends and punish political enemies.

At the Justice Department, for example, political appointees illegally reserved nonpolitical positions for "right-thinking Americans" -- their term, not mine -- and there's strong evidence that officials used their positions both to undermine the protection of minority voting rights and to persecute Democratic politicians.

The hiring process at Justice echoed the hiring process during the occupation of Iraq -- an occupation whose success was supposedly essential to national security -- in which applicants were judged by their politics, their personal loyalty to President Bush and, according to some reports, by their views on Roe v. Wade, rather than by their ability to do the job.

Speaking of Iraq, let's also not forget that country's failed reconstruction: the Bush administration handed billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to politically connected companies, companies that then failed to deliver. And why should they have bothered to do their jobs? Any government official who tried to enforce accountability on, say, Halliburton quickly found his or her career derailed.

There's much, much more. By my count, at least six important government agencies experienced major scandals over the past eight years -- in most cases, scandals that were never properly investigated. And then there was the biggest scandal of all: Does anyone seriously doubt that the Bush administration deliberately misled the nation into invading Iraq?

Why, then, shouldn't we have an official inquiry into abuses during the Bush years?

One answer you hear is that pursuing the truth would be divisive, that it would exacerbate partisanship. But if partisanship is so terrible, shouldn't there be some penalty for the Bush administration's politicization of every aspect of government?

Alternatively, we're told that we don't have to dwell on past abuses, because we won't repeat them. But no important figure in the Bush administration, or among that administration's political allies, has expressed remorse for breaking the law. What makes anyone think that they or their political heirs won't do it all over again, given the chance?

In fact, we've already seen this movie. During the Reagan years, the Iran-contra conspirators violated the Constitution in the name of national security. But the first President Bush pardoned the major malefactors, and when the White House finally changed hands the political and media establishment gave Bill Clinton the same advice it's giving Mr. Obama: let sleeping scandals lie. Sure enough, the second Bush administration picked up right where the Iran-contra conspirators left off -- which isn't too surprising when you bear in mind that Mr. Bush actually hired some of those conspirators.

Now, it's true that a serious investigation of Bush-era abuses would make Washington an uncomfortable place, both for those who abused power and those who acted as their enablers or apologists. And these people have a lot of friends. But the price of protecting their comfort would be high: If we whitewash the abuses of the past eight years, we'll guarantee that they will happen again.

Meanwhile, about Mr. Obama: while it's probably in his short-term political interests to forgive and forget, next week he's going to swear to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States." That's not a conditional oath to be honored only when it's convenient.

And to protect and defend the Constitution, a president must do more than obey the Constitution himself; he must hold those who violate the Constitution accountable. So Mr. Obama should reconsider his apparent decision to let the previous administration get away with crime. Consequences aside, that's not a decision he has the right to make.

5:09 AM  
Blogger Amos said...

Dear Jim,

Thank you for your thoughtful posts. I have been reading your blog for over a year now and I wanted to appreciate you for your insightful writings on Bolivian issues. Keep it up.

10:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Da Bama's indirect words to Cuchi Cuchi worshipper, his sugar daddy Chavez, and other racist corrupt demagogues and his acolytes around the world:

"To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict, or blame their society’s ills on the West - know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy. To those who cling to power through corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.”

Not bad. Obama 12-28-08:

"If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I'm going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect Israelis to do the same thing."

Even better. See? Even da Bama sees the light.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

10:05 AM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

There's a reason the Israeli's fled Gaza before the new sheriff came into town.

Obama and the village idiot Bush are as different as night and day:
Obama rejected Bush's institutionalized torture of U.S. Detainees and the wanton murder of innocents by way of weapons of mass destruction in the manner that Israelis have done against their neighbors, Palestinians and Lebanese under the guise that it was for “safety” reasons.
Obama said, "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals."

Obama rebuked Bush for his dangerous, careless scheme of using deregulation to transfer wealth from the middle class and poor to the uber rich.
Obama warned that "without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous."

On his whitehouse website, Obama states about Bush's racist disregard: “President Obama will keep the broken promises made by President Bush to rebuild New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. He and Vice President Biden will take steps to ensure that the federal government will never again allow such catastrophic failures in emergency planning and response to occur.” 

“President Obama swiftly responded to Hurricane Katrina,” the statement on the site continues. “Citing the Bush Administration’s ‘unconscionable ineptitude’ in responding to Hurricane Katrina, then-Senator Obama introduced legislation requiring disaster planners to take into account the specific needs of low-income hurricane victims.” 

12:25 PM  
Anonymous el grindio said...

"Prepare to be disappointed with 4 more years of "da Bama" as he continues to vindicate Bush by continuing with his major policies".

If one needs evidence of the ridiculous misinformation being posted here by way of opinions disguised as facts, consider the above and these facts, headlines and opinions in the press:

Judge OKs Guantanamo suspension sought by Obama
Associated Press

'The Bush years are over. Obama’s inaugural address could not have made the ending more stark, with repeated lines signaling a new direction and offering veiled but unmistakable indictments of what the 44th president called a “failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age.”'
www.politico.com

Rahm Emanuel puts halt to Bush's Midnight regulations

BREAKING: White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel stops Bush’s last-minute regs. Emanuel signs a memorandum ordering all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration.
www.dailykos.com

12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yawn.

After comfortably stretching and reading selected "press" snippets from our Democracy Center failed investor, I just had to laugh. Dailykooks is "the press?" Yeah, and grindio knows how to manage money.

Two words that "da Bama" is already vindicating Bush:

Robert Gates

Bush's very able secretary of defense in now da Bama's very able secretary of defense.

When da Bama amateurishly rejected Bush's very successful "surge" in Iraq, he knew he did a major boo-boo and indirectly accepted that Bush's military policy and strategy was right. That's the reason for the bear hugs the 2 had the times they saw met during the transition period.

More proof that da Bama is becoming Bush's vindicator-in-chief coming shortly.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

1:56 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Jim believes that Bolivians care more if it will rain tomorrow than what the CPE means to them in terms of how it will govern their lives. That may be so since crops depend upon rain.

However, politics matters and a constitution lays the foundation for a civil society to function under the rule of law. Case in point: the US is in dire straights and said condition is a function of being governed by the worst president in its history: George W. Bush

There will be no vindication for him although there may be an indictment.
Notwithstanding his alleged crimes, 98% of US historians judge him to have been a failure as president.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

Here is a snippet from the above article in Harpers:

Bush has established himself as the torture president, the basis for his invasion of Iraq has been exposed as a fraud, the Iraq War itself has gone disastrously, the nation’s network of alliances has faded, and the economy has gone into a tailspin–not to mention the bungled handling of relief for victims of hurricane Katrina. In 2004, only 12 percent of historians were ready to place Bush dead last.

Here are some of the comments that the historians furnished:

“No individual president can compare to the second Bush,” wrote one. “Glib, contemptuous, ignorant, incurious, a dupe of anyone who humors his deluded belief in his heroic self, he has bankrupted the country with his disastrous war and his tax breaks for the rich, trampled on the Bill of Rights, appointed foxes in every henhouse, compounded the terrorist threat, turned a blind eye to torture and corruption and a looming ecological disaster, and squandered the rest of the world’s goodwill. In short, no other president’s faults have had so deleterious an effect on not only the country but the world at large.”

“With his unprovoked and disastrous war of aggression in Iraq and his monstrous deficits, Bush has set this country on a course that will take decades to correct,” said another historian. “When future historians look back to identify the moment at which the United States began to lose its position of world leadership, they will point—rightly—to the Bush presidency. Thanks to his policies, it is now easy to see America losing out to its competitors in any number of areas: China is rapidly becoming the manufacturing powerhouse of the next century, India the high tech and services leader, and Europe the region with the best quality of life.”

2:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Africans thank "racist" Bush for saving countless millions from HIV.

"In her AIDS-scarred South African township, Sweetness Mzolisa leads a chorus of praise for George W. Bush that echoes to the deserts of Namibia, the hills of Rwanda and the villages of Ethiopia..."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28605888/


Bush humanitarian and being vindicated by Africans. No wonder he was smiling and at ease as he flew to the beautiful sunsets of Texas...

Case closed.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

3:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm puzzled that there's no mention about the 30 some ethnic justice systems. How is this going to work? Will the systems be geographically based? If not, will an "ethnic" person always be judged under their own system? Who will codify these systems? What happens when two or more systems claim jurisdiction over a case? Am I too white to be ethnic? This has got to be the most troubling aspect of the new constitution!

5:00 PM  
Blogger bowsie said...

You missed the point, 11:57, Hamas is a terrorist group, one of many. HOW MANY have they collectively killed?

Sorry but this is silly. Because Hamas is a terrorist group we have to take into account ALL terrorist groups? What have the IRA in Northern Ireland or the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka have to do with this argument?

What do you define as a terrorist? The British regarded George Washington as a terrorist, does that mean we have to include deaths inflicted in the American Revolution?

If this is your logic, then we should take into account all those murdered by nation states, such as Israel. In that numbers game, nation states beat "terrorists" by a ration of millions to one.

Of those that were killed by Israeli weapons, how many were sitting (studying, playing, etc) next to Hamas rocket launchers, strategically place their by their terrorist brothers...?

Well not the ones in UN schools for one. Not the ones the Israelis moved to safe houses that they bombed. Not the police stations they claimed were legitimate targets.

As for the legitimacy of killing civilians near military targets, Israel's Defence Department in right in the middle of Tel Aviv, does that mean it's okay for Hamas to murder hundreds of Israeli civilians if they live nearby. This is a sick and disgusting morality.

So all Gazans are now "brothers of terrorists" according to you? You have revealed yourself to be a despicable racist.

Who is the more guilty of the two sides?

My vote is that Hamas is far more guilty than Israel for the deaths.


Blame Hamas for the deaths they inflicted on civilians, and Israel for theirs.

You know you can make these easy moral judgements without any acknowledgement that Israel is still occupying and expanding occupation in Palestine. Palestine has a legitimate right to resist. Of course the indiscriminate use of rockets by Hamas in wrong, but so too is indiscriminate shelling of Gaza, the murder of over 300 children. Even if Israel was justified in attacking Gaza, then surely they could have used the advanced targeted missiles they are capable of using instead of using chemical weapons (which they admitted to yesterday and in breach of the Geneva Conventions) and heavy shelling, then it displays their utter lack of respect for Palestinian life.

5:42 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

Bush humanitarian and being vindicated by Africans. No wonder he was smiling and at ease as he flew to the beautiful sunsets of Texas...

Case closed.


What happened with this case? Were the evidence of the hundreds of thousands of civilians he bombed to death, or the thousands he tortured not admissable in court?

Sounds like one of Bush's kangaroo courts Obama halted yesterday.

5:45 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

"da Bama"

I'm sorry are you using racist slurs to make a political point?

5:47 AM  
Anonymous el grindio said...

This blog's racist, anglophile insists we write only in the "language of Shakespeare" so he can understand (when he is not claiming to be an Afro-Bolivian who lives in the Yungas). And now he claims Bush is vindicated for saving "countless millions from HIV" in Africa by spending billions in taxpayer dollars there.

Oh, really? And billions were not diverted to his base of fellow incompetents or to the drug industry?

"Bush's AIDS Initiative: Too Little Choice, Too Much Ideology
Restrictive funding, emphasis on abstinence hinder $15 billion effort"
(The Center for Public Integrity)

"Bush in his 2003 State of the Union address asked Congress to appropriate $15 billion for care, treatment and prevention of HIV/AIDS in developing countries. The subsequent President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) served to burnish his "compassionate conservative" credentials even as he took the nation into war. And it has enabled his administration to funnel tens of millions of dollars to Christian faith-based organizations that support his ideology and form his political base. . . Critics say that some PEPFAR-funded groups lack the know-how to run HIV programs. In one instance, a politically well-connected U.S. faith-based group, Children's AIDS Fund (CAF), was found by an expert panel of reviewers to be "not suitable" for PEPFAR funds, according to published reports. But this finding was overruled by the then head of USAID, and the group was awarded a $10 million grant anyway to run abstinence-centered programs in Uganda, Zambia and South Africa..."
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/aids/report.aspx?aid=800

And domestically:
"Bush Budget Shows Startling Neglect of Domestic AIDS, says AHF: Government Should Freeze AIDS Drug Price Hikes Automatically Awarded to Drug Industry" (Business Wire - February 04, 2008)

"AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF) (http://www.aidshealth.org) today blasted President George W. Bush for his neglect of the domestic AIDS epidemic in his proposed AIDS funding allocations in the fiscal year 2009 budget. The two principal AIDS programs funded by the federal government, the AIDS Drug Assistance Program (ADAP) and the Ryan White CARE Act (RWCA), received a combined increase of seven million dollars between them; however, due to hefty annual price increases for lifesaving AIDS drugs that are automatically granted to the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical industry based on the consumer price index (CPI), the six million dollar ADAP budget increase actually translates into a $27 million dollar cut to the federally funded, state run consortia of ADAPs which provide lifesaving AIDS medicines to low-income Americans." http://www.aegis.org/news/BW/2008/BW080202.html

Bush, a real humanitarian? Yeah, right.

"Bush Proposes Modest AIDS Funding Increases, But Cuts Essential Safety Net Programs

The Bush Administration's budget proposal for fiscal year (FY) 2007--released on February 6, 2006--represents a contradictory mix of healthcare funding priorities, providing much-needed but modest increases for several key HIV/AIDS programs while cutting essential safety net programs for low-income people, including Medicaid, Medicare and assisted housing."
http://www.sfaf.org/default.aspx?pid=641&region=1&language=1

Bush politicized everything. He did only that which benefited his base so that his power could be perpetuated.

7:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just love it when ultraleft kooks get rubbed the wrong way. Their rage just magnifies their incoherence and powerlessness. (The cherry of the pie is comparing Hamas with American revolutionaries. Boyo, you know so little of American and Middle East history) And of course, their favorite intellectual retorts are, "RAAAAAACIST!" What a bunch of lightweights!

I'll give credit to bowsie, though: he's on the wrong side of history common sense, and sports, but unlike grindio, he has the decency not to copy and paste 99% of the time his presence in this blog. Less boring!

Anon 5:00, for Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his band of monolito humpers, the lighter of darker your skin, you're considered the oppressor and dreg of society, respectively. It's a recipe for civil war.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys.

9:20 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

I just love it when ultraleft kooks get rubbed the wrong way. Their rage just magnifies their incoherence and powerlessness.

Jesus, I'm not ultra-left. I'm a software engineer who believes strongly in the free market. Just a regular guy.

I also happen to believe in the rule of law, and that bombing civilians to death is wrong under any circumstance. That includes Israel and it includes Hamas.

Take a look at this and try one of your mean cynical remarks:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2009/jan/21/gaza-israelandthepalestinians

Israel uses chemical weapons against school children. No evidence of Hamas nearby, a total and utter violation of our most basic international laws.

Sure my anger is definitely a reflection of powerlessness, but it is very coherent.

And of course, their favorite intellectual retorts are, "RAAAAAACIST!" What a bunch of lightweights!

You consistently make racist comments. Hilariously you make racist comments in your following sentences.

Can you explain, for instance, how "Da Bama" is not a racist slur, or your constant allegations of Evo and his supporters having sex with monkeys? I would love to know.

I think you know I wouldn't "cry racist", but you Sir are a cast iron racist, bigot and jingoist.

11:28 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

The cherry of the pie is comparing Hamas with American revolutionaries. Boyo, you know so little of American and Middle East history

I don't credit you with being able to understand this point.

The point is that to many, Hamas are not terrorists, just as to many, George Washington was a terrorist. This is not my opinion, only an example at how pointless the term "terrorist" is.

For me, a terrorist organisation is one that uses violence against civilian populations for political gain. The past few weeks have shown that Israel and Hamas are both blatantly guilty of this (see Israel's white phosphorous attacks for instance).

You know, it must be so sad to be the kind of person that doesn't take time to think about the wanton murder that has taken place in the past few weeks. You're too busy rushing to fit it into your pre-set ideological perspective.

Just like the hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered by the Bush administration is just an inconvenient blot on your petty partisan games.

Anyway, I think I'll go back to not responding to your thoughts. You've constantly shown yourself to be a deeply mean-spirited and prejudiced poster.

11:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

RAAAAAAACIST!

So "da 'Bama" as in "the Obama" (or "da Bush" or "da Biden" or "da Pope" for that matter? Whatever. (anyway, for your amusement: da 'Bama, da 'Bama, da 'Bama, da 'Bama) ;-)

RAAAAAACIST!

I challenge you to demonstrate where I allege that Cuchi Cuchi worshipper and his band of monolito humpers have sex with monkeys (you must be confusing a certain part of the world you defend so much that thinks Jews descend from apes and pigs). Pretty please. With sugar on top. It's not I, but rather Choquehuanca, who marveled the world with his tales of "rocks having sex."

RAAAAAAACIST!

I think you're so entrenched with your computers and your programming that you're unable to distinguish moral equivalency. It's not Israel who suddenly said, "Ya know, it's Monday, let's bomb the heck out of women and children." It's Hamas, who thinks of killing anything remotely Jew 24-7. It's not Israel who has a charter mentioning that a Palestinian state shouldn't exist. It's Hamas, who admittedly won't stop until it destroys Israel. It's not Israel who started this mess, but rather Hamas. Israel left the Gaza Strip 3 years ago, remember? Hamas destroyed the little productive infrastructure the Israelis constructed and simply continued to blindly fire rockets into Israel hoping to hit something, anybody. Therefore (and I'll say it in my "racist" tone): Hamas are da bad guys.

RAAAAAAAACIST!

"Anyway, I think I'll go back to not responding to your thoughts. You've constantly shown yourself to be a deeply mean-spirited and prejudiced poster."

I've heard that one before from you, but deep down you know you have a soft spot for me. See you in a couple of months!

RAAAAAA...

Buh-bye.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys

12:47 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Bush's lackeys in the state department have been busy crafting deceptive misrepresentations on their resume and preparing for their new careers collecting unemployment. I thought soon they'd tell the mentally disturbed person above and "Bolivia Libre" that would no longer be paid for harassing Jim's readers. Now, I think that the pathologies of that one which posted above at 12:47PM compel him to seek attention here. Apparently, he has no other life. Understandably, he seeks those with a "soft spot" for him since his personality type makes him unattractive to others.

Therefore, I too shall ignore him even when he stumbles on rare support for his baseless claims. He has no credibility as evidenced by this claim:
"Prepare to be disappointed with 4 more years of "da Bama" as he continues to vindicate Bush by continuing with his major policies".

The facts argue otherwise, as reported in the Washington Post today:
"President Obama moved swiftly yesterday to begin rolling back eight years of his predecessor's policies"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/content/article/2009/01/21/AR2009012102009.html?nav=hcmoduletmv"

3:43 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Meanwhile, like Jim, I am not comfortable to advocate a yes or no on the CPE. I am not fully informed to take a reasoned position for something so crucial. For example, there is the question of the autonomies for the various indigenous groups, who would be self-governing under their own laws. Would that be like how native Americans' tribal lands are regarded as sovereigns who are governed by their own laws?

3:47 PM  
Anonymous el grindio said...

Anon 5:00PM wrote: "I'm puzzled that there's no mention about the 30 some ethnic justice systems. How is this going to work?"

I imagine it will work like it works in the US. Native American tribes are sovereigns and their laws rule on their "reservations".

5:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not bowsie, but I do have to say that the comments of Croat guy have been for sometime offensive. I do recall that he did call Obama a monkey on a previous post, senility must not allow him to recall correctly. I won't waste time trying to find it, because the post was pointed out to him before, and he tried to spin it.

Choquehuanca did not say that rocks have sex, rather that they come in female and male gender. While I disagree with almost 95% of what the MAS says and does, reactionaries should note that rocks DO COME in to broad categories: igneous and sedimentary rocks. A third category of metamorphic rocks could be considered a hybrid of the first two, or a "gay rock" if you will....

Nevertheless, I would suggest to Jim that Croat guy be banned from the forum, allow a vote amongs the readers to ban him, or otherwise give us a tool to hide his ridiculous comments that do not contribute at all to the discussion.

Croat guy should realize that he has become a cartoon, a joke, a clown with zero credibility, whose racist & reactionary rants only help to further the point that MAS oppositors are a bunch of facist, racist, troglodites. Seriously, you, in the best style of Ann Coulter, are the best recruiting tool the MAS could hope for.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Katrina jew from Yungas:
Have you seen the pictures of all the inocent childreen killed in gaza? the master nazi from wwII was jew, no wonder that he wanted to exterminate his own kind.

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bowsie, 5:45 AM :

Could you explain: "hundreds of thousands of civilians he bombed to death" Are you saying you believe Bush bombed 'hundreds of thousands' to death? I don't get it.

7:00 PM  
Anonymous John said...

I don't understand this guy, does he actually think he's not a racist? Dude needs to look at his posts.

9:51 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

Bowsie, you and I have fairly the same definition of terorism. I would include the use or threat of violence against non-military targets in order to further political (or religious) ideals. the key element is instilling terror. This differentiates the terrorist from the insurgent (i.e. using IEDs against military targets or the American Revolutionaries ambush style attacks). Unfortunately I've been deeply negligient in following the Israel Hamas conflict. I'll have to look into the white phosphorous (WP) aspect. It is a common military marking round and might be used as an incendiary round if say targeting a weapons cache. I'm not sure why it would be used in an anti-personnel mode when a standard high-explosive round should be better suited.

It's not uncommon when unable to defeat an enemy in toe-to-toe combat (I'm assuming that is the situation with Hamas) to resort to insrgent tactics and human shields. I'll look into the school attack you referenced. My first question - given that nothing beneficial could come out of hitting a school with WP - would be why they would target it? What was the tactical need or advantage?

Sorry Jim about no comment on the campaign. The consititutional vote results for better or worse (and I don't think my opinion on this is a secret) are a foregone conclusion.

7:20 PM  
Anonymous b-dogg said...

i have been in one fight in my life. and that really wasn't even a fight. while i was in seventh grade on the bus ride home a kid punched me in the face twice right before my stop. i looked at him, and got off the bus, i never fought back and i am proud of that fact. he liked the same girl i did and thought this would impress her as she was sitting in the front of the bus.

i hate fighting, it makes me uneasy to see it.

but, if i had the chance I would kick your ass.

your view of reality is so warped i actually feel pity for you. so as i was kicking your ass i would probably come to the realization that you are truly a sad case. i am sorry for whatever has happened to you in your life to make you the way you are.

so i raise a toast, and send out a prayer that the good lord help you, "croats are morales' jews" whoever you are. and i pray you do not have children to spread your hate to.

now i am not saying everything morales has done, or will do, is right. but that doesn't make you right. not by any stretch of the imagination.

12:00 PM  
Blogger bowsie said...

Bowsie, 5:45 AM :

Could you explain: "hundreds of thousands of civilians he bombed to death" Are you saying you believe Bush bombed 'hundreds of thousands' to death? I don't get it.


Sorry, that should read tens of thousands. Thanks for correcting me, I must have been a little carried away when I wrote this.

We had a detailed discussion of this in a previous blog entry. Civilian deaths from bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan by "Coalition" forces number some tens of thousands.

However, there is considerable evidence that up to 100,000 civilians may have been killed in Iraq by "Coalition" bombings. Because the US military did not keep records of civilian deaths inflicted by their forces (as they are required by international law) this evidence is often circumstantial - such as statistical analysis of rates of civilian death by aerial bombardment, and extrapolating figures from that (i.e. the Lancert report states that over a hundred thousand civilians were killed by aerial bombardment, but there are hard records for only some ten thousand).

Here's some of the discussion of this from a previous thread:

Documented and configured death tolls from US bombing from September '01 - May '03 in Afghanistan is around 3,400. (Peer Reviewed work on the subject - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bpl/ijur/2002/00000026/00000003/art00016)

The United Nations has shown that UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) 400 civilians have been killed in air strikes by the United States in the first seven months of 2008. (http://middleeast.about.com/od/afghanista1/a/me081012.htm).

Here is a complete list of civilian deaths and those from bombing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#Civilian_casualties_.282001-2003.29

A quick count shows nearly ten thousands confirmed deaths from 2001 to now because of bombings. Considering these figures are incomplete (no reliable list for 2004) it is safe to assume that over ten thousand Afghan civilians have been killed because of Coalition bombing.

As for Iraq, there is circumstantial evidence that around a hundred thousand people died as a result of aerial bombardments, almost exclusively coalition.

The Opinion Research Business puts casualties at around 1 million, 9% of that through aerial bombing. Lancet (the disputed study) puts the aerial death toll of civilians at well above a hundred thousand. Iraq Body Count has confirmation of over ten thousand aerial bombardments deaths.

There is plenty of studies showing that civilian deaths from Coalition bombing in Iraq is well over ten thousand civilians. In Afghanistan, it is in and around the ten thousand mark.

4:06 AM  

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