Blog from the Book Tour IV: The Snow Belt
Readers, 9am Thursday
Back in the La Paz airport, drinking coca tea in the small café upstairs, watching the morning news show and gasping for a bit of oxygen. In a moment I will pass from this odd life of spare beds, of hearing my voice far too much, bouncing from airport to airport, and meeting so many great people. I will disappear into my 'real life' of home and my family, of the cows and the corn. Cool, no?
We began our tour more than three weeks ago at UC Berkeley in an auditorium at the School of Law. We ended it yesterday with a large group of Chicago public high school students, almost all of them immigrants, African American, and Latinos. They as well saw something of themselves in Bolivia's stories – in the teenager who watched her innocent mother jailed courtesy of the U.S. War on Drugs, or in the story of Cassimra Rodriguez, enslaved as a teenager to be a maid and rising to be an organizer of those same women and her country's Minister of Justice.
Thanks again to one and all who helped along the way, by organizing events, giving us a place to rest our heads, and showing up in event after event, city after city, more than 1,500 of you. And thanks for buying the book.
I'll resurface in a few days, after I get my shoes good and dirty.
Jim
NOTE: For those who are interested, this morning Chicago Public Radio aired an hour-long interview that we taped yesterday. The interview covers a range of stories from our new book, Dignity and Defiance: Stories from Bolivia's Challenge to Globalization. You can listen to it here.On the Banks of the River Charles
I love that dirty water.
Oh, oh, Boston, you're my home.
--The Standells
The Democracy Center book tour rolled into Boston last Thursday afternoon by bus, to cold weather and warm receptions – Melissa Draper, Roberto Fernandez, and I did six events in three days.
We began at Harvard University, at the Kennedy School of government. A quarter century ago I was a student there. I was happy to see that the tree outside the library window, whose leaves had shown me the change of the seasons, was still there. Thirty students, faculty and visitors gathered to hear about Dignity and Defiance and to share their own thoughts about what Bolivia's recent experiences teach us. Several were young Bolivians, studying at the school, or just living in the U.S. The love they have for their home country was obvious.
From there we set off across the Charles River to Boston University. Almost 100 students filled up the front section of an auditorium. At BU as in many stops across the country we ran into the familiar faces of students who had studied in Cochabamba with the great semester abroad program sponsored by the Vermont-based School of International Training. One of them rose during the discussion part of the program to ask my advice about what students could do to help close the gap between the U.S. rhetoric about global justice and its actions which too often undermine that justice. The BU student paper carried an article the next day about our visit and the exchange (you can read the article here).
“What does this gap mean for you students?” Shultz asked. “That as soon as you graduate, you need to get the hell out of here and go somewhere in this world and see what it means to live on the ground with what this country has to deliver, both good and bad, around the world.”
Brandeis University junior Nadine Channaoni, who spent her fall semester in Bolivia during a School for International Training cultural and development program, said what she had observed on the ground in Bolivia was very different from what she is being taught about the country in her university classroom. Shultz told her to not be afraid to speak up and refute any inaccurate academic theories. “I will definitely take his advice and use concrete examples from my experiences and not be too intimidated to speak up,” Channaoni said.
University of Massachusetts-Boston senior Michelle Tracchia said she was drawn to the event because of her research on the effects of World Bank and International Monetary Fund policies concerning water access in the African country of Senegal. “I wanted to understand why the people of Bolivia were able to revolt and not Senegal,” Tracchia said. “It was really important for me to hear from people living in the U.S. and Bolivia because there is so much more to take from their experience in both.”
At every stop on the tour I have been inspired by the young people that have come to hear us. These twenty-somethings belong to a generation dedicated to making their country a more moral actor in the world and they are struggling to understand what that truly means and how they can be a part of it.
On Friday we were invited to meet with a small group of undergraduate student activists at Harvard, and then ran off once more across the frozen-over River Charles to the Jamaica Plain Forum. Again, nearly 100 people came out in the biter cold to join us, filling up all the folding seats laid out across the wooden floors of a gracious old New England Church. It was a roomful of activists – people who are dedicating great energy to ambitions as distant as Middle East peace and as local as making Boston one of the most bike friendly cities in the nation.
For me, this was the first time in a decade that I have had so much interaction with people in the U.S. working for social justice. They came seeking what lessons Bolivia might have to offer but I told them that their own works were a model of citizenship.
Now an admission. At first I was not all that happy when the book tour team decided to take my one day off in 10 and turn it into a driving expedition to Western Massachusetts. I had visions of maneuvering a rental car through a winter's blizzard, to have a chat with a handful of people in a bookstore, followed by another tiny handful in a college classroom. But on Saturday under clear skies Roberto and I made the trip and it was wonderful.
Thirty people crammed into the small but fabulous Odyssey Bookstore in South Hadley to hear us. A couple came up afterwards to introduce themselves. They had driven in an hour and a half from Albany, NY. With them was their young daughter, adopted from the same Cochabamba orphanage as my youngest. Several such families have traveled to greet us on the tour. They are each a reminder of how important it is that the U.S. and Bolivia sign a new agreement, reopening the adoptions that have meant so much to so many children and which have been closed for almost a decade. Afterwards students and faculty at Mt. Holyoke College, just across the street, hosted us for lunch.
Our event at Smith College was hosted by an extraordinary group of young women, the International Students Organization. We were led there by a pair of two bright young women from Bolivia – one from La Paz and the other from Santa Cruz. As we walked onto campus they presented the team that had organized things for us on campus, a half dozen women from every corner of the world. Globalization's hope.
A hundred people filled the auditorium where we spoke, standing room only in Western Mass. – students, faculty and visitors. It was Roberto's last stop on the tour before heading home and people listened to him intensely than anywhere else. "In Bolivia, for decades, a whole system was constructed to put our natural resources and our finances into the hands of foreigners," he explained. "Laws, bureaucracies, international agreements. Taking it apart is not going to happen overnight."
On to Minnesota
Across the U.S. there are communities that for certain reasons have become especially connected to Bolivia. Arlington is home to the U.S.' largest Bolivian community. San Francisco sent Bolivia both Bechtel and the Democracy Center. Minneapolis/St. Paul is another such place.
The Twin Cities-based group Mano a Mano has built dozens of Bolivian health clinics. Macalester College seems to send more students to the Bolivia S.I.T. program than any other. On Monday night Melissa and I were there to speak to a large gathering of students and faculty, and friends from the community. Among them was one of the young Peace Corps volunteers that the Bush administration pulled out of Bolivia last fall. We talked about how to get the Obama administration to send the Peace Corps back.
Then this morning we started the day bright and early by visiting with a class that had been assigned the book to read.
They met us armed with questions:
What's the IMF's version of the things you write about in your book?
What is the state of Bolivia's feminist movement?
Is the U.S. government intervening in Bolivian politics?
We answered as best we could, acknowledging that the issues in the book are complicated ones, and encouraged them to get directly involved in issues of U.S. policy abroad. Then we left one more time for an airport.
Wrapping it Up in Chicago
There is a poetry, I suppose, in wrapping up a book tour that challenges market-driven globalization at a place known for the celebration of unregulated markets, the University of Chicago.
This morning Chicago Public Radio ran an hour-long interview that we taped yesterday, talking about a wide range of issues, from the Water Revolt to Coca, to the misdeeds of the U.S.' former ambassador to Bolivia. You can listen to the program on-line here. Then on Tuesday evening the program's host, Jerome McDonnell, one of the most thoughtful radio journalists we know, did us the honor of moderating the event with Melissa and I at the University.
This was out last big public event, so I spoke about one of the stories in our book tat got the least attention outside Bolivia, even though it was directly linked to a U.S. corporation, Enron. I shared the story of how, in January 2000, Enron and its partner Shell let 29,000 barrels of toxic oil spill into the Disaguadero River. I read aloud from the book's chapter by Christina Haglund:
A week after the spill, the silence of the altiplano was interrupted by noises from above. Doña Julia, an almost toothless woman who speaks Aymara and only a few words of Spanish, came out of her adobe home where she was peeling potatoes. She bent her neck to the sky. For the first time in her life, Doña Julia saw up close a machine that flies. Enron and Shell’s representatives appeared out of the sky, arriving to villages not found on any map. The rural people were awed by the arrival of helicopters and anxious for answers to get their lives back to normal.
Six years later, Doña Julia kissed the banana that I handed her. She smiled wide and told me that she thinks her sheep are actually pigs. They never stop eating and never seem satisfied.
“They told us the petroleum was fertilizer,” she said.
“Who?” I asked.
“The oil spill people.”
These are the stories we came to the U.S. to tell. These are the voices from Bolivia that we felt it is urgent to bring before U.S. audiences.
Wednesday morning Melissa and I make out last stop, to speak with a group of high school students in Chicago. Then I board a plane to Miami and onward to Bolivia and home. Many of you reading this have joined us on this tour – in San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Santa Fe, Washington, New York, Boston, the Twin Cities, and here at the end by Lake Michigan. Thank you, all of you. Thank you for the spare beds we slept in, the events you pulled together, the meals you served us, the ideas you shared, and the solidarity that you offered.
And stay tuned for what comes next!
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27 Comments:
Jim, glad you're still having fun touring within the imperialist beast beating meeting a few other dozen beastly characters: those who promote something they call "social justice." (What an oxymoron, by the Ekeko!)
Now let's get rid of the "oxy" and keep the "moron" (I'll spare the biped who believes in the Bolivian "economic miracle" this time)to describe Cuchi Cuchi worshipper for his justification for the megacorruption in his gigacorrupt government. He continues to parrot that it's the CIA's fault. Since being elected, he has constantly accused the US of conspiring to topple him, to kill him, to modify his horrendous haircut. No proof, no evidence, no "smoking gun." Zero, zip, nada, janiwa. There are simply no words to describe how stupid and what a liar this guy is.
What say you, Jim?
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It was great meeting you in S Hadley, Jim. We really enjoyed hearing what you and Roberto had to say. It gave Sylvia a new understanding about how her two countries have affected each other. We're all looking forward to reading your book.
Amy from Albany
While MAS and Morales are less corrupt than previous Bolivian regimes like Banzer, Goni, Etc. I must admit, painfully, that Croat Guy is right about the ridiculous nature of the CIA blame game. Evo hopes to escape scrutiny for a horrible incident of corruption in YPFB, after a series of similar and ongoing problem at YPFB, by pulling the wool over the eyes of his base with this CIA theory. US Department of State and CIA supporting the autonomy movement, probably; the CIA being involved in $450,000 kick back scheme that only went awry when family members got greedy, nope.
Miguel de los Shanqueros
For the folks unconditionally supporting the present executive branch here in Bolivia, please take a look at the report that was released yesterday:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/wha/119149.htm
Before you go off deriding this as a biased, CIA, DEA report meant to discredit President Morales; READ IT! It's very detailed and gives many examples that I, personally, remember reading about in the press here.
Go ahead and judge it through your own filters. Be open minded. My opinion is that human rights in Bolivia are being erroded to a level not seen since the 80s.
6:10, the State Department report is a powerful and damning indictment towards Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's gigacorrupt regime. Unlike Morales' constant talk of wild conspiracies, it is based on facts, and that's what hurts his feelings the most.
You see, he can't stand honest criticism, and he can only defend himself with incoherent grunts where "CIA" is heard here and there.
Cuchi Cuchi worshipper is the worm in the apple that's rotting Bolivia to its very core.
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PS Miguel de los Shanqueros, after you mention the YPFB matter as a "horrible incident of corruption," you state that the Morales regime is less corrupt than previously (conveniently "neoliberal") ones. What "incidents" occurred with his predecessors that make them even more corrupt?
11:15, I agree with you.
Evo is turning this country into the biggest victim in South American. Many people follow him like sheep and believe everything he says. He tells them that the terrible government from the North are the cause of the country's problems and they believe him. Then they look to him, their saviour, for protection.
His move to blame the CIA for the corruption in YPFB is certainly following his plan. I believe in the years to come we will see more and more of this unfolding. Unless, of course, he takes the media by the balls and squeezes...
In a February Reuter’s article the US State Department is quoted as saying, "Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades”.
Why is the State Department so surprised? The United States government has been pumping billions of dollars into that vortex known as the “government of Mexico” for decades. The Zetas, well known murderous bodyguards for the drug Cartels are mostly composed of deserters from the Mexican paramilitary.
The US’s aim to control its “amigos” down south has led the governments and armies of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador- to mention but only a few of America’s recipients of “aid”- to become cannibal like creatures who prey on their citizenry.
Another living example of American failed intromission is Afghanistan. That “democracy” is a narco-state whose leader, Karzai, is shamelessly using the “aid” he receives as piggy bank funds for him and his law breaking brothers.
Franco
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http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN26266392
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5811885.ece
http://www.rferl.org/content/Afghanistan_Is_A_Failed_State_But_Not_Beyond_Saving___/1493896.html
Franco, you surprise me with the credit you give the US government and fail to give the drug cartels. Do the cartels have no other source for weapons than a few deserters? Do they have no other source for learning tactics than former paramilitaries? This is great news. Or is it that they could have intelligent people capable of researching tactics and learning from past successes and mistakes? Could it be that criminals have a way of acquiring these through other sources, say hypothetically, a leftist Latin American nation hostile to the US?
To be honest, the weapons are more of a concern than the tactics. Tactics are easy to research, learn and adapt. The weapons aren't that impossible on a small scale though, particularly for a well financed organization.
As to Afghanistan, as one of your articles states, elections are coming up. Karzai will not be re-elected. His limitations and his family's criminal activity are known. The Afghan populace who had hope in him in 2002 is now tired of his stagnation and frankly his administration's corruption. If it matters at all, so is the US. Even members of Karzai’s own government have become vocal in their disappointment if not outright opposition. I'm not going to say that I know how Afghanistan is going to turn out, but I do remember what it was like under the Taliban and much more so the Afghan populace.
Another detail that I did not see in your post: The efforts in Afghanistan are not remotely unilateral. There are Brits, Australians, Czechs, French, Canadians, Italians, Germans, Dutch, and a plethora of others by the tens of thousands providing military and civil support to bring about permanent change. Simply put though, it was always going to be a long haul.
My point is that the difficulties in Afghanistan are not so much a result of failed US policy as they are of the difficult nature, history, and cultural difference of the nation. There is no quick fix, but surely you don't think we should have done nothing after 9/11? Your posts are always well organized and well presented, (certainly more so than this rambling reply) but I'm not sure what you would have the US do in this case.
Man! Evo is driving hi alleged CIA-YPFB link into the ground. How long will he milk this while failing to provide any evidence?
"Be a man and admit your mistakes" has no meaning here. Instead, point your finger at someone else. Than again I suppose that started in the garden.
He'll milk it until the teet of lies he's manhandling is squeezed dry. Then he'll steal another one and milk that one dry as well ... and so on and so forth.
The most hilarious thing I read this morning are the consequences of Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's amateurish evidence that the CIA is involved in the YPFB fiasco, this Carrasco cat taking some US-sponsored antidrug courses. Taking advantage of that Neanderthal but typical lefty logic, many are demanding that Cuchi Cuchi worshipper investigate if his Minister of Presidency "33 Camions" Quintana is not an infiltrated CIA agent or not since he took many courses at the lefty-demonized School of Americas years ago.
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PS With Franco's Taliban-admiring, Evo-like logic that US aid going to Mexico, Afghanistan, Guatemala, and El Salvador (why didn't he mention lefty favorites who also receive US aid such Bolivia, Nicaragua, the Palestinians, Zimbabwe, and even North Korea, among others?) is the cause of their problems, then he, as a taxpayer, is as guilty as the US government that sent the aid. After all, his taxes directly fund the country he hates so much. The horror!
Boy, the CIA hacks must have a lot of time on their hands now that they lost the support of thir fellow Republican cohorts in the upper echelons of the State Dept.
Citing this website they make wild claims against Bolivia's democratically elected government that are not supported by the text they cite:
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2008/wha/119149.htm
To wit-without providing any reference to examples (because none exist)-the covert operative tasked with dissing Bolivia on this blog claims:
"It's very detailed and gives many examples that I, personally, remember reading about in the press here."
Truth of the matter is there nothing there that could not be claimed-in stronger terms and with a plethora of examples-against the Bush-Cheney regime.
Here's some excerpts of what the US State Dept did claim about Evo's government:
"Section 1 Respect for the Integrity of the Person, Including Freedom From:
a. Arbitrary or Unlawful Deprivation of Life
The government or its agents did not commit any politically motivated killings";
In contrast to Bush-Cheney's Gitmo, the State Dept admits these facts:
"b. Disappearance
There were no reports of politically motivated disappearances.
c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
The law prohibits such practices, and there were no confirmed reports that government officials employed them."
Oh, but there was this "so what" issue:
"Arrest and Detention
Arrests generally were carried out openly, but there were credible reports of arbitrary arrests and detentions."
When Bush and Cheney were arrested for DUIs in their past, they regarded their attention and detention as "arbitrary" too. So what.
And so it goes with said State Dept's spin on the Bolivian reality. It's an arbitrary point of view by those whose ambassador was declared a persona non grata, thus dimming his career as a diplomat specialized in causing chaos, insurrection and the balkanization of sovereigns, all for advancing the geo-political aims of the right wing empire builders.
Without any evidence, Norman and his Republican soulmate (Croat Girly-Guy), deflect attention from the deeply flawed policies Bush-Cheney saddled Obama with. They falsely imply others are responsible for irresponsible Republican policies implemented by that Bush wayward child, Homeland Security, by asking this question:
"Could it be that criminals have a way of acquiring these through other sources, say hypothetically, a leftist Latin American nation hostile to the US?"
Answer: No.
"High-powered automatic weapons and ammunition are flowing virtually unchecked from border states into Mexico, fueling a war among drug traffickers, the army and police that has left thousands dead, according to U.S. and Mexican officials."
The above is according to the article entitled:
"U.S. guns arm Mexican drug cartels Licensed weapons dealers are abundant near the border. 'Straw buyers' assist the traffickers"
By Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer on August 10, 2008
Grindio: don't drink and post, your rantings are making less sense than usual
Norman said,
"Franco, you surprise me with the credit you give the US government and fail to give the drug cartels. Do the cartels have no other source for weapons than a few deserters? Do they have no other source for learning tactics than former paramilitaries?"
I say, Ok Norman... please teach me all you know.
Franco
Franco
"Economic miracle" biped's comical Evo-like mindset, to wit (again):
Comment: "Poverty and corruption increased in Bolivia with Morales."
MMO: "Bush and Cheney are the devil!"
Comment: "Unemployment increased dramatically last year thanks to Morales economic policies."
MMO: "Bush and Cheney should burn in hell!"
Comment: "UCB beat Univalle to become national volleyball champs."
MMO: "Bush and Cheney? Vadre retro, Satan!!!"
Comment: "200 more bird species were discovered in Borneo."
MMO: "I want to rip off Bush and Cheney's heads and piss down their throats!"
Comment: "Honey, if you don't give up, I won't put up. Don't you love me?"
MMO: "I want to eat Bush's black heart and Cheney's yellow liver raw!"
Comment: "What's 2 + 2?"
MMO: "Argggggggh! Death to Bush! Death to Cheney! Death to America!"
Hey, anything is valid to deflect lefty personal failures, right?
MMO "Gaaaaarrghhh! Bush and Cheney..."
Buh-bye.
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ElG said: "To wit-without providing any reference to examples (because none exist)-the covert operative tasked with dissing Bolivia on this blog claims:
"It's very detailed and gives many examples that I, personally, remember reading about in the press here.""
Read the report. Plenty of dates and names. It was in the news (I read Los Tiempos...).
I live here and can tell you from personal experience that IT FEELS as if we are slipping into a totalitarian regime. Is that democracy? Is that what you are fighting for?
Come and stay for a while ElG and see what you think. OR, convince us you live within 8000 kilometres of here.
Dissing my country? I don't think so. NOT wanting it to fall in line with Castro? Yeah.
The criticism is the Department of State report is not any more severe than criticism that has been levied against Goni and Banzer by the D of S. It is hardly a damning report. To Croat Guy I might agree with you on one isolated point but I do not debate racist and arrogant partisans. But since you seem ignorant of modern Bolivian history cronyism under Banzer and Goni was huge, as were frequent incidents of corruption and kick back schemes in major public projects. The interminable new highway to Santa Cruz is only one example, in addition to corruption in the privatization process. How many of Goni´s big business buddies got major assets at rock bottom prices?
Miguel de los Shanqueros
Good to hear from you again Franco. As to teaching you all I know, well obviously that's out of the question, but Grindio proved my point well enoug with his quote demonstrating that major sources of automatic weapons are border countries rather US trained paramilitary defectors. The same can be said for improved tactics. Assuming that the cartel is absolutely incapable of conducting an After Action analysis of previously failed tactics, (an unlikely presumption), reasonably effective tactics training is available from sources ranging from Cuba to a local paint-ball range. My point is that the presence of weapons and the use of improved tactics is not dependent on US trained defectors. Maybe I missed your point though.
One could argue that the Autopista a El Alto ushered the era of Banzer macro-corruption. The over $100MM in 1970s dollars spent on it would have been enough to build a freeway in the US. From there on, also encouraged by high oil prices, Banzer led a shift of wealth form the occident to the orient
Miguel, I enjoy speaking with racist and arrogant partisans (ex. "Economic miracle" copy and paster) and I certainly will not make an exception with you. However, I reserve the right to be condescending since you never lived in Bolivia and the only knowledge you have of the country is from pieces of news here and there in the internet.
Granted that there was plenty of corruption during the "neoliberal" governments (the Andrade Gutierrez case of the road to Santa Cruz is almost legendary, the "Beechecraft" airplane, Mizque earthquake donations, JPZ's Eid relationship with "Oso Blanco," and many other cases involving politicians of all parties) as well as during the military dictatorships (Karachipampa and other white elephants, gold extraction in Guanay in las Yungas, etc.), but there hasn't been any case like the YPFB one, where it patently mixes cronyism, bribery, and murder at the very top of the government in its most important public company. Has any previous example of corruption in Bolivia received as much press inside and out of the country as the YPFB? I don't think so.
Face it, Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's government is more tainted than the coca-stained tables in the Salon de los Espejos.
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but there hasn't been any case like the YPFB one, where it patently mixes cronyism, bribery, and murder at the very top of the government in its most important public company. Has any previous example of corruption in Bolivia received as much press inside and out of the country as the YPFB? I don't think so.
Well there hasn't been one exactly like it because you've narrowed it down to a very particular case, that can only have one instance: this one.
Anyone loosely aware of the "voodoo economic" deals of the late eighties/early nineties, where wholesale corruption was government policy, knows that today's government ethics are not comparable. Whereas Goni/Berzain/Paz Amora all directly filled their own personal pockets and that of their whole government, there is no evidence that the YPFB corruption was wholesale. I've personally been connected with a large, ongoing corruption trial involving Goni's government - every single significant government purchase of foreign goods was laden with kick-backs for all government members involved. While there is certainly and undeniably ample corruption in Morales' government, any reasonable observation confirms it is not at all to the level of the neo-liberal days.
Also, there has been a judicial process against the corrupt. The neo-liberal cowboys are all enjoying their ill-gotten gains.
That said, it's ridiculous that Evo is blaming the CIA on this one. At best, he made a very poor appointment and his oversight was lacking. At worst, and I very much doubt this, he is personally involved.
On the state department report, I don't think the US can criticise a Bolivian media that is some twenty places higher that it on the "Reporters without Borders" free-press list. That said, there's plenty of criticism in there that rings true.
bowsie, I've narrowed it down to the YPFB case because it includes incontrovertible evidence of corruption, bribery, and m-u-r-d-e-r in the government's most important public company (and flagship for Morales' nationalization program) involving the 2nd or 3rd most powerful bloke in the country. I don't think you can find such a spicy combination (with so much evidence!) happening with previous governments. Come on, Morales even attended the guy's wedding (before dumping her after getting caught)! I dare you to show me something comparable from previous governments. Double dare you.
Now, you say that there is no evidence that corruption is wholesale in YPFB.
(pause for laughter)
Oh? How many presidents has YPFB had since Morales came to power? 3? Come on, that doesn't even pass the smell test. You're smarter than that. This circus is just starting and is a serious challenge for Morales' chances of being reelected.
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I dare you to show me something comparable from previous governments. Double dare you.
Bolivia has had relatively bloodless politics because of a very small, intertwined ruling classes. There was no cause to murder your opponent, because he was probably your father-in-law. You talk about Morales attending somebody's wedding; yet take a look at the close personal links between Goni, Carlos Mesa (a decent guy), Paz Amora, Banzer et al. Wedding attendance would be a tenuous link amongst this gross of nepotism.
As for bribery, corruption and murder, how about 2003. It had plenty of all of them. How about 1985, that had bribery, corruption and kidnapping of political enemies; but that wasn't over one company, it was over an entire economy and political system.
You've always been a poor man for rational and open thought, but only a hack would compare today's corruption (which is not acceptable) with previous cowboys. Goni, Paz Amora, Banzer et al all lined their own pockets. We can say many things about Morales, but accusing him of corrupt greed would be silly.
Now, you say that there is no evidence that corruption is wholesale in YPFB.
No, I didn't.
Look, open your mind for two seconds, I think what's happened here is totally unacceptable. I'm disappointed at the way Morales reacted. In general, I'm pretty disillusioned with Morales after being delighted at his election. But having witnessed first-hand (well, more like second-hand in honesty) some of the corruption under Goni, it's clear to anyone without an agenda that today's issues are simply not comparable.
"As for bribery, corruption and murder, how about 2003. It had plenty of all of them. How about 1985, that had bribery, corruption and kidnapping of political enemies; but that wasn't over one company, it was over an entire economy and political system."
If there were "plenty of them", evidence, please! I already wrote down my list of the "neoliberals" and military dictators, so if you copycat---no fair!
By the way, my mind is waaaaay open. I know how it was during the military dictatorships and during the "neoliberal" governments. There was constant frustration for the violence and loss of freedom during the dictatorships and the endemic corruption that most politicians demonstrated in the "neoliberal" governments.
I also know how Cuchi Cuchi worshipper rose into prominence since being a coca leader, you don't. You weren't affected by the constant blockades his drunk minions were engaged in, paralyzing the country. You didn't see those same drunk minions refuse to let ambulances with sick people pass through, allowing some of patients to die. You didn't see the death and destruction his extortion caused in Chapare nor the thousands of tiny businesses he destroyed, impoverishing a region that desperately needed job creation.
You weren't in Bolivia those years and experienced all the hardships he created; therefore, you are one of the least qualified and knowledgeable people to talk about Morales. You and many other foreigners who never really lived in Bolivia have an idealistic vision of Morales as a noble savage incapable of corruption and furthermore have the temerity to assert that now corruption is not wholesale in Bolivia! How many hundreds of people a day are desperately trying to leave the country? Who's the narrow visioned hack now?
;-)
The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Israelis are the good guys
The resident hack, hacks away with unsupported claims. These are particularly spurious:"You didn't see the death and destruction his extortion caused in Chapare nor the thousands of tiny businesses he destroyed, impoverishing a region that desperately needed job creation."
Source please, as to the verifiability of your wild claim.
(insert sound of crickets here)
No response. I thought so.
You weren't in Bolivia those years and experienced all the hardships he created; therefore, you are one of the least qualified and knowledgeable people to talk about Morales. You and many other foreigners who never really lived in Bolivia have an idealistic vision of Morales as a noble savage incapable of corruption and furthermore have the temerity to assert that now corruption is not wholesale in Bolivia! How many hundreds of people a day are desperately trying to leave the country? Who's the narrow visioned hack now?
I have lived in Bolivia. My partner is also Boliviana. By the sounds of it, I don't have the depth of day-to-day experience you do, but I certainly feel that through my time there, my communication with family there, and my own study of the country that I know enough to form an opinion, right or wrong.
Be more curious before you assume a person's history.
3/7 Harvard Business School Action: Solidarity with Bolivia (Saturday, 8:00 AM, Allston)
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Extradite Sánchez de Lozada! Action Saturday, 3/7/09, @ 8:00 a.m. Meet in Allston at Western Ave & Harvard Way (http://tinyurl.com/dbojbk) He may not be a war criminal, but his orders resulted in dozens ofdeath and the destruction of the Bolivian economy. His country hasalso requested that he be returned to stand trial for his actions.That means he's been invited to speak at the Harvard Business Schooland David Rockefeller Center for Latin American Studies! Nearly 6 years ago, scores of people were killed and hundreds injuredby Sánchez de Lozada's security forces as the unpopular formerBolivian president clung to power (based on his 22.5% vote). Sincefleeing the country, he has lived in the United States and is subjectto an outstanding extradition request (issued in November 2008) fromthe democratically-elected Bolivian government. Sign the letter to Harvard Business School and the David RockefellerCenter for Latin American Studieshttp://bostonbolivarianos.org/start/extradite Download the flyerhttp://bostonbolivarianos.org/start/files/flyer-2009-03-07.pdf Download a fact sheethttp://bostonbolivarianos.org/start/files/fact_statement.pdf For more information: info@bostonbolivarianos.org or visithttp://www.BostonBolivarianos.org
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