Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Bolivia and the U.S.: Where do Things Stand After the Summit?

When Barack Obama was elected President of the U.S. in November, he inherited a set of U.S. relationships with Latin America that were strained. The Bush administration had staunch allies among the handful of remaining conservative governments in the region, most notably in Colombia and Mexico. It had mixed relations with the left-leaning governments in the bigger countries of the region, such as Brazil, Argentina, and Chile. And it had hostile relations with the administration’s Latin American “bad boys”, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, Rafael Correa of Ecuador, and Evo Morales of Bolivia.

Relations with Bolivia were especially tense. In September Bolivia and the U.S. took turns kicking out each other’s ambassadors (Bolivia went first), the Bush administration axed Bolivia out of trade preferences that could potentially cost more than 20,000 jobs, and the Morales government accused Washington of a litany of conspiracies involving the DEA, USAID, and other U.S. programs.

So it was with some hope that boosters of the Bolivia/U.S. relationship looked to the election of Obama as a moment for change. The new president of the north pledged to remake the U.S.’s relations with the rest of the world. His incoming Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, had said supportive things about the Morales government during the campaign (see the video here). Morales saw the linkage between he and the new, unusual leader in the north and seemed almost giddy, “What is happening in the world?" he asked. "An indigenous man is president in Bolivia and a black man is president in the United States."

Watchers of U.S./Latin America policy also knew that the symbolic opening of the new administration’s new approach to its neighbors to the south would be at the pre-scheduled Summit of the Americas, which took place last week in Trinidad. All the players in the Drama of the Americas were on the scene, from Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega, who the U.S. worked hard to overthrow in his last term, to Hugo Chavez, who famously called Obama’s predecessor “the devil” in a speech before the UN several years ago.

So, what do we know about the dance of U.S./Bolivia relations this week that we didn’t know last week?

Symbolically, the summit was a bit of a love fest between President Obama and the Latin American leaders most hostile to his predecessor.

Obama said warm and fuzzy things about improving relations with Cuba, and the Presidents on Latin America’s left congratulated him and urged him to be even warmer and fuzzier – to extend his pledge to allow more family visits and remittances to the island into a dropping of the five decades old embargo that has been so successful at toppling Cuban communism.

Chavez reached out to Obama with a gift, a copy of Eduardo Galeano’s Open Veins of Latin America (an improvement in my view, to Chavez’s previous marketing of Noam Chomsky). Obama shook the Venezuelan President’s hand so many times and so smilingly that it made right wing pundits in the U.S. go apoplectic. They apparently had hoped that the U.S. President would have frowned and then cleaned up his hand with a handy wipe.

Ortega wanted to make sure that Obama had a long walk through of U.S. adventures in the region since his birth in 1961, which included a reminder of the Bay of Pigs invasion of the Cuba when Mr. Obama was still in his mother’s womb. Obama replied, good-humoredly, that he hoped Latin American leaders would not hold him responsible for events that took place when he was in diapers.

It is however, the state of Bolivia/U.S. relations at the summit that seem most curious.

Bolivia’s President, Evo Morales, went to the summit against the backdrop of an alleged assassination conspiracy against him that concluded with a shoot-out in a Santa Cruz hotel and three suspects dead.

Chavez, who had been much more embattled with Washington, eagerly smiled for photo-ops with the new U.S. leader and pledged immediately to replace his own nation’s ambassador to Washington.

In contrast, Morales renewed claims that the U.S. may have had its hand in the alleged attempts to kill him. As the New York Times reported:

Yet some old tensions remained. President Evo Morales of Bolivia confronted Mr. Obama during a private session with a charge that the United States is meddling in his country and had plotted to assassinate him. Mr. Obama responded on Sunday, saying, “I am absolutely opposed and condemn any efforts at violent overthrows of democratically elected governments.”

The Paraguayan President told reporters that Morales raised the charge directly to Obama in a closed-door meeting at the summit. Bolivia’s President said afterwards that if Obama didn't denounce the alleged assassination plot, "I might think it was organized through the embassy."

That statement led Obama to declare on Sunday:

"Specifically on the Bolivia issue, I just want to make absolutely clear that I am absolutely opposed and condemn any efforts at violent overthrows of democratically elected governments. The United States, obviously, has a history in this region that's not always appreciated from the perspective of some. I am responsible for how this administration acts and we will be respectful to those democratically elected governments, even when we disagree with them."

What evidence Morales had to suggest that the U.S. had any involvement with the Hungarian, Irishman, and Bolivian shot last week in Santa Cruz is unclear.

Bolivia’s Foreign Minister, David Choquehuanca, met at the summit with his U.S. counterpart, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Afterwards he told reporters that he pressed Secretary Clinton to reverse the Bush administration’s policy removing Bolivia from the ATPDEA trade preferences. Clinton pledged to “study” the issue, which means no change in that policy anytime soon.

So, as a new exchange of ambassadors between Caracas and Washington does seem imminent, when will that happen between Washington and La Paz? Not anytime soon either, according to statements from Bolivia’s UN Ambassador, Pablo Solon, the Bolivian government’s current point man for U.S. relations.

The news agency AFB reports Solon saying that, “First we clearly want to lay down the rules on all the issues on our agenda." Those issues reportedly include 'cooperation, drug trafficking, commerce, political change and mutual respect.' Said Solon, "Once there's that framework, the time for exchanging ambassadors will have to be studied."

What does all this mean, reading the complicated coca leaves of international diplomacy? While most of Morales' Latin American presidential colleagues seemed to be anxious to jump-start a new honeymoon with Obama, and he with them (at a symbolic level, at least), Morales seems to be the region’s most reluctant bride.

Maybe this is because the Bolivian President felt threatened by a plot he says was aimed at his head and didn’t feel in a friendly mood. Maybe the Bolivian government isn’t willing to engage in all the niceties of others until the details get worked out. Or maybe, in the scheme of things, the Bolivian government just doesn’t consider its relations with Washington all that important, and has decided that antagonism with the U.S., including with Obama, plays to some domestic political advantage.

But whichever reason is behind the chilly first encounter between Morales and Obama last week in the Latin American tropics, it means there is still a lot of diplomatic work to be done to make the U.S/ Bolivia relationship something different than the battleground it has been for three years. And there is a lot of room for that relationship to just stay testy.

101 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The relationship is simple: The US doesn't not want Bolivia to become a Narco failed state.

Evo does not want to loose the boogey man that can take the blame for all errors his administration makes.

So the US will do just enough so that Bolivia does not look like Bolivia circa 1980, but not enough as to be seen as supportive of Evo. Evo will quietly take the aid, but everyother week he will "uncover" another CIA plot.

For a productive relationship to prosper, there need to be common goals. Evo has proven that if the choice is between what is good for country vs. what is good for a cocalero, smuggler, masista...he'll go against the interests of Bolivia. The US simply cannot cooperate with a person that actst like that.

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

After da Bama's impersonation of a punching bag to Latin America's petulant children, neither region gained anything concrete. Sure, there were some nice words and gestures for the cameras, but the apologizer-in-chief has only encouraged the Latin American petulant children to be more bold and demand the US to accede to their demands, as loony as they are.

For example, Cuchi Cuchi worshipper, being the most IQ challenged and least coherent of Latin America's petulant children, demanded that Obama reject the latest attempt (more imagined than real) on his life. Obama naively complied.

When Chavez approached da Bama with the book, he (da Bama) really looked like a deer in front of the headlights. The book "Open Veins" is the bible of Latin America's left. Too bad that he didn't counter by offering Chavez "The Manual of the Perfect Latin American Idiot." It would have neutralized him completely. Anyway, I'm sure Chavez's minions snickered at how gullible da Bama was with Chavez. He sure doesn't understand Latin American politics!

Will US-Bolivia relations change? Besides some nice words here and there, I don't think so, at least while Morales remains in power. Bolivia will remain at the bottom of the heap of da Bama's priority. Cuchi Cuchi worshipper will rant and rail all year long denouncing more attempts by the US to overthrow him (Hey, I thought that after the toilet paper constitution was ratified, he said, "Mission accomplished! Now you can kill me." Make up your mind!). It's campaign mode, baby!

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Me said...

◄ Evo has proven that if the choice is between what is good for country vs. what is good for a cocalero, smuggler, masista...he'll go against the interests of Bolivia. ►

Evo is the first Bolivian president that truly represents the Bolivian population and in this sense he represents the interests of his compatriots and his country. Evo is the best president in the history of Bolivia. Even if you disliked.

3:11 PM  
Anonymous Me said...

◄ After da Bama's impersonation ... ►

It is not da Bama. It is Obama. That illustrates that you don't know anything about the subject.

If croats are Morales's jews, then they can take refuge in Croatia.

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the intelligent post on this topic. Much appreciated.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually you are both wrong; it's Duh bama.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow just when I think that idiot Morales couldn't screw up anymore he goes off and proves me wrong.

The genius Morales has now accused the governments of Ireland, Croatia, and Hungary of being behind the plot to kill him.

The folks in europe are currently having a field day with it, from radio to internet to other media. I'm sure the newspapers will be next. Of course they all are painting Morales as an absolute idiot for saying such serious things with no evidence.

Someone please remove this idiots foot from his mouth.

7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have always supported President Morales and his ideology. But it seems lately that he is becoming the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of South America. Are his advisors aware of that? Is he aware of that? Is this good for Bolivia? Does he care? Come on, Evo, prove my instincts wrong - please!

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jim,

I think the question now is: Bolivia and the EU, where do things stand after the shootout. There's some mumbling due to Evo's handling of the affair.

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^^^
In the awaited interview that was just released, Flores Rozsa admits to going to Bolivia to raise and train a paramilitary force to oppose the government, and if not granted greater autonomy would declare independence and break away from Bolivia.

http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2009/04/long-awaited-interview-with-flores.html

http://www.pr-inside.com/hungarian-killed-in-bolivia-went-to-r1198680.htm


Interesting things he says are that

-They were going to smuggle weapons from Brazil and other places and build enough cache for their paramilitary troops to show force.

-He was called upon to organize Santa Cruz defense forces by a Santa Cruz Province Council.

-He claims their is "legal background" to his mission

What a crazy nut job. This guy hadn't even been to bolivia in over a decade and cared more for Hungarian politics and Balkan issues until recently. Good riddance.

Looks like the Comite Civico, Nacion camba, Prefectura, Marinkovic and the boys are going to be in a world of hurt. Inviting an accused murderer and Balkans war vet to raise a paramilitary force is serious business. Guess we'll see some of them soon seeking political asylum abroad. Good riddance, what a bunch of scum.

10:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the full interview that aired on Hungarian MTV.

http://www.mtv.hu/videotar/?id=42581

10:40 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

In terms of all the questions that had been raised by all the misinformation posted here and spread by the ogliarchs' control of the media and their hired hacks, there is one answer.

Like I said: "Follow the Marinkovich logia money"

If you check the friends list of Dwyer, that Irish newbie "soldier of fortune" who was able to suddenly able to afford to buy a new BMW in Santa Cruz and whore around for the months he was there), you will find the surname Marinkovich, of Croatia. How does an Irish innocent (as naive Bowsie would have us believe) establish friendships with Croats on Facebook. Perhaps because they were looking to hire a jackal, which how Dwyer defined himself.

Time for establishing the rule of law regarding treason, aiding and abetting terrorism and being the intellectual authors of the various heinous crimes the evidence will show.

12:28 AM  
Anonymous Daniel said...

I totally agree with El Grindio.

3:23 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

If you check the friends list of Dwyer, that Irish newbie "soldier of fortune" who was able to suddenly able to afford to buy a new BMW in Santa Cruz and whore around for the months he was there), you will find the surname Marinkovich, of Croatia. How does an Irish innocent (as naive Bowsie would have us believe) establish friendships with Croats on Facebook. Perhaps because they were looking to hire a jackal, which how Dwyer defined himself.I never said he was innocent el Grindio. I said he wasn't a Soldier of Fortune who fought in the Balkan Wars. Do you always insult people who disagree with you? Or should we all believe, like you, that Michael Dwyer fought in the Balkan Wars when he was ten?

It could very well be that this Dwyer character was intentionally involved, just that there is nothing in his background to suggest he's nothing but a normal kid. Where is this evidence of "BMWs" and "whoring around".

Just so you understand clearly el Grindio, in case you think I'm being "naive", this Dwyer guy could very well have been in on the plot. I don't know. What I do know is that it all sounds highly irregular.

5:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All (some of)you readers worship Che... Rozsa Floes Said: "No me estoy yendo a la jungla boliviana para jugar al Che Guevara". "No voy allá para atacar a La Paz, ni para ayudar a la organización de un ataque contra la capital o para derrocar al Presidente.... Debe organizarse la defensa, la resistencia", dice Rózsa Flores.

Doesn't sound like an assasin to me. Sounds like a patriot.

Regarding Evo: 'En horas de la mañana, Morales calificó de "muy grave" el que las autoridades de Irlanda, Croacia y Hungría defiendan a “mercenarios”. "Si son autoridades, instituciones de Croacia, Irlanda y Hungría, no tienen ninguna autoridad para pedir (investigación). Soy capaz de procesarlos yo, ¿cómo semejante gente (viene) acá a atentar contra el Presidente va a ser defendida?", se preguntó el mandatario.'

Guilty until proven innocent? Executed in bed before a trial. This is the ULTIMATE in the death penalty.

6:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:42 AM

Eduardo Rózsa Flores is a traitor and a subversive. He wanted to trigger a civil war. I prefer a traitor death instead of thousands and thousands of innocent children, women and elderly dead.

Evo has made the right decision.

7:18 AM  
Blogger Norman said...

I love this Anon "Evo has made the right decision". He'd be flat out funny if this wasn't such a serious incident. He doesn't bother with evidence to support his position, ignores evidence ot the contrary and sticks to his guns... "Evo said he's guilty, I believe it, and that settles it." A true faith based belief.

8:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like "da Bama." It has a rhyme to it, don't you think, 3:18?

Anyway, the only truth emanating out of this tragicomedy is Cuchi Cuchi's admission (after he threatened to take action against Ireland, Croatia, and Hungary...I'm sure they're trembling in their collective boots!) that he's not a jurist.

Again, there is zero, zip, janiwa evidence that even slightly backs up neither Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's wild conspiracy theories nor the ones of his bigoted bipeds bleaters (BBBs) in this blog, but we should be comforted that -- according to the authorities -- the 10% of the investigation has been completed. Such mathematical certainty is comforting!

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Coolest Cats in the Collasuyo...the Croats

8:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:28 AM

janiwa evidence is your brain..

8:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:38 AM

☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺

8:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bowsie 6:42am,

I don't know where Grindio got his information from but regarding the BMW it would seem the source was Dwyer himself. On his Bebo page he posted that he was enjoying his new BMW. Combined with the bill that they ran up at their previous hotel where they stayed for over 80 days (it was over $10,000 dollars) which Rozsa Flores paid for in cash, it becomes more apparent that Dwyer was enjoying a high lifestyle that was being paid for someone other than him or his previous mentioned employer. It certainly wasn't his family, the Irish times reporter in Bolivia has mentioned his family and friends know nothing about why he was really there.

I have constantly criticized Evo Morales and his bully politics, but it amazes me that some on this forum are so indoctrinated into their own politics that they would see Rozsa Flores' interview and dismiss it so lightly.

A patriot? you're kidding right?
This patriot lived practically his whole life abroad and only recently gave a rats behind about what was going on in Bolivia and Santa Cruz. Hungarian reporters who knew him have recently described him as a man always looking for political action. First Hungary then Croatia and when the action was done over there he suddenly looked for action elsewhere. This man is no patriot he is no camba. He was not present like many of us to work and help build the city to where it now is and to where we want it to be. He didn't care about our city or our country until there was real action he could get his hands dirty with. He is no camba he is no Bolivian he is no Hungarian and he is no Croatian.

He is a man with no country no land and his affiliations with fascist and racist groups from Ireland to Romania, Hungary and Croatia leave no doubt to me that he was a despicable human being that I would not want "defending" my city. If the murder of those two journalists investigating his shady dealings is any indication of his type of "defense" then I'm glad he is no longer around.

10:28 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

Agree with Anon 10:28. It is clear Rozsa Flores was involved in actions to destabilise the government.

Thanks for the info on Dwyer. Was the BMW his by ownership or simply a company car?

As an Irishman and somebody who lived in Bolivia at Dwyer's age, my natural inclination is to hope he was not consciously involved.

However, it is clear that he must have been somewhat aware of his employer's actions. That does not mean he deserved to die, but he was certainly performing a disservice by not being more aware of his actions in a country where he was a guest.

10:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It appears as though about half of you are pro-death penalty, Texans. At least in the US you get a trial before you are sentenced to death.

Wrong or right, crime or not; everyone deserves a trial.

Why are you so quick to pass judgement? Even IF there is evidence against these five, was it right to put three to death before a sentence? In any civilized country?

11:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

those martyred in the hotel were freedom fighters,the same way foreign fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan blow themselves and others up by fighting against the Empire. Michael Moore would agree!

11:26 AM  
Anonymous Branko said...

►At least in the US you get a trial before you are sentenced to death.◄

You know that the police in the U.S. trigger-happy very often. So do not come with this kind of example.

11:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't know why everybody is making such a fuss if the guys in the hotel were murdered or not. Everybody knows about Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's methods of extortion, destruction, and death for political means. He was the major cause for overthrowing the democratically elected Goni, and now has more deaths under his watch than the "genocidal" he so desperately wants to have extradited.

All of us know that he's running for reelection the end of the year. A regular politician would make such an important announcement in front of cameras with a "I hereby announce that I commence my run for the presidency." In Evo speak, it's Bang! * 30 times, a few bloodied bodies, tales of racist conspiracies against him, and demanding that trees and clods of dirt have the same rights as humans.

Campaign mode, baby!

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Coolest Cats of the Collasuyos...the Croats

2:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not clear your gibberish. ☺

3:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bowsie 10:45 am,

It is not clear if it was a company car or he bought it himself, but he was definitely happy about his newly acquired BMW. I would speculate it was provided to him by some wealthy individual he met in Bolivia and not the company he allegedly worked for.

From the Irish Times:

"She said(Michales mother) he had told them he was “doing a bodyguard duty”.

Mr Dwyer said: “He said there was some wealthy guy out there he’d got in with. He didn’t elaborate any more after that as to who it was or anything.”"

None of his friends nor his family know what he was doing in Bolivia and who he was with. What wealthy person in their right mind would hire a 24yr old part time bouncer, with no military experience and who didn't know anything about Bolivia nor spoke Spanish to be their bodyguard.

I really wanted to believe Michael Dwyer had no clue as to what was happening but the more that comes out the more I'm convinced that he had to know what was going on in regards to Flores' wishes to raise a paramilitary army. Unfortunately for his friends and family it looks like his harmless weekends playing soldier in the woods turned into something serious.

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently Dwyer worked security at the Corrib gas pipeline at Glengad beach in Erris. If you're Irish or been there you know how controversial that whole thing is.

This is a colleague of his describing Michael Dwyer

“a likeable sort of guy, a bit naïve but certainly not a killer”. “He was just a young man fascinated by all things military. He loved to dress up.

“He was involved in the security of the Shell pipeline and there he would have come into contact with people from Poland and Hungary with a military background and could have had his head turned, but he wasn’t a leader, he was a follower.”

http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eymhmheycw

By all accounts Flores was a very influential individual. It sounds like he convinced Dwyer to be part of his macabre adventure.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This post was about US and Bolivian relations....
I say this is too screwed up of a country and society. You all deserve your dumb ass president.

The left is just as corrupt and screwed up as the right.
The US and the EU should just pull out and work with countries that want our help.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous El Grindio said...

Having a "dumb ass president" signifys one lives in a "screwed up country" and "society". Got it. Since Bush is the biggest idiot or most "dumb ass president" in modernity, then if we extend your logic, what does that prove about you, your society and the US? Remember that Bush was president for two terms.

9:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A country gets the government it deserves...don't be so hormonal Grindio, or are you still upset about the news about your uncle?

10:20 PM  
Blogger bowsie said...

A country gets the government it deserves.Does Bolivia deserve the dearth of good options in it's politicians?

The only thing at the moment that I like about Evo is that he's not Goni.

It's a pity Carlos Mesa didn't (and doesn't) have political savvy.

5:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bowsie, if Goni had been Evo, he would have blasted him and his drunk minions to teeny weeny bits for causing the mayhem and destruction that eventually caused his overthrow. If Jaime Paz Zamora or Goni I had been like Evo, they would have either tortured the terrorist Garcia Linera or force him to hear an Evo speech (which is essentially the same). At any rate, it's heartening to know that you like Morales less and less.

According to authorities, 10% of the investigation was completed up to yesterday. I venture to say that now it's 13.678% completed -- unless you want to count the government accusing a group of youths playing games with Airsoft guns as terrorists.

I mean, really! Once you think you can't dig yourself deeper in the hole of incompetence and lies, Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's government defies the laws of physics and produces something akin to their version of the Black Hole -- where not even rampant stupidity can escape.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Coolest Cats of the Collasuyo...the Croats

8:50 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

At any rate, it's heartening to know that you like Morales less and less.

He is judged by his performance, which in the past year has been discouraging, especially compared to his very promising first year.

I'll be waiting patiently for you to change your mind about something next... but something tells me that could be a long wait.

10:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sure I can change my mind! Wilstermann used to be my favorite team until last week, but now I'm rooting for the powerful Aurora.

But change my mind regarding Morales and his nefarious policies? No way!

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina
The Coolest Cats of the Collasuyo...the Croats

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Branko said...

10:49 AM

You have said Morales instead of Cuchi Cuchi.

11:39 AM  
Anonymous Branko said...

10:49 AM

Isn't an improvement? ☺

11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rada and Quintana are obviously idiots of first rate. I too have grown to dislike Morales less and less. He was never on my christmas list but I was at least hopeful and gave him the benefit of the doubt. He has shown he is an incompetent and divisive individual. The leeches and corrupt clowns he surrounds himself with do not help him at all.

When you're obviously a leader with limited capabilities and political savvy wouldn't it be prudent to have a cabinet that strengthens all your weaknesses instead of a cabinet of yes men that constantly anchor you down?

Morales is a reckless individual who is going to get many innocent Bolivians on all sides of the political spectrum killed if he doesn't smarten up soon.

That being said, Flores was a no good scum bag and got what he deserved for the death of the two european journalists he had murdered.

1:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^
Not to mention those involved in the "Santa Cruz Council" that brought him to Bolivia should be arrested and thrown in jail.

3:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Congrats Jim:

http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/6070

However, I still disagree with most of what you have to say.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"When you're obviously a leader with limited capabilities and political savvy wouldn't it be prudent to have a cabinet that strengthens all your weaknesses instead of a cabinet of yes men that constantly anchor you down?" Anon: 1:00 pm

I thought we were discussing Evo, not George Bush!

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^
Touche, but it still applies

5:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just saw this don't know if it's already been linked. Interesting read.

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/04/21/mysterious-international-mercenary-cell-uncovered-in-bolivia/

Several Bolivian officials have said [10] that Eduardo Rózsa Flores was invited to join the militant anti-Morales opposition by Branko Gora Marinković Jovicević [11], 42, a well-known financier of the anti-government opposition. Marinković, who holds dual Bolivian-Croatian citizenship, was born to a Croat father and a Montenegrin mother, who immigrated to Bolivia from Yugoslavia in the 1950s, allegedly under fear of retribution after having collaborated with Nazi-affiliated Croat forces during World War II. Marinković was until recently a leader in the separatist campaign. In late 2008, however, he stepped out of the political limelight, reportedly to shield the movement from revelations about his family’s “Nazi past”

It has already been confirmed by several sources in Bolivia, Croatia, Hungary and elsewhere, that at least three of the five members of the covert cell fought (possibly together) in the Croatian War of Independence during the 1990s. What is more, Bolivian investigators have traced the mercenaries’ travel routes from Croatia and Ireland to Bolivia.

The Croatian link connecting most of the five mercenaries, including alleged leader Eduardo Flores, is also important. Inviting European mercenaries is certainly not unheard of, but it is notably rare, and points to possible connections with Branko Marinković. Additionally, it would be difficult, if not impossible, for the five to operate out of Santa Cruz without the tacit consent of Marinković and his clique, who virtually own the city

Sources tell me that Interpol has confirmed the mercenaries’ travel routes and Croatian connection, and it is actively assisting Bolivian investigators. It could well be the case that Bolivian officials are already in possession of information that may soon embarrass several intelligence services in the Americas and beyond.

7:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:30: And murdering three people because of their ideology is acceptable?

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who are the "several Bolivian officials" and the other anonymous sources slandering Branko Marinkovic?

7:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marinkovic was in the area within the past year. Knowing him, I would not put it past him.
http://revistalamalapalabra.blogspot.com/2009/03/y-que-paso-con-antoinette-lazarte.html

Too bad the site is down, but Marinkovic was quite the Fool, and I would not put it past him that he met Eduardo there.

9:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 7:47

I completely agree. Alfredo Rozsa Flores should have never had

journalist Christian Wurtenberg and
journalist Paul Jenks

MURDERED!.................RIP Christian and Paul

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, riiiight...like Foreign Policy Journal doesn't have a left-wing bias.

10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^
Keep spinning, everyone with any knowledge of the case has pointed the finger directly at Alfredo Rozsa Flores. But if closing your eyes makes you feel better so bet it.

Or perhaps check out the documentary "Dying for the truth" or the english documentary "The Dogs of War"

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892945,00.html?xid=rss-world-cnn

"He was an action-chaser," a Croatian journalist with years investigating connections between foreign mercenaries and Croatian secret services tells TIME. "PIV was a notorious group: 95% of them had criminal histories, many were part of Nazi and fascist groups, from Germany to Ireland." Rozsa rose to the status of Major and gained a reputation for brashness — before scandal hit in December of 1991. That's when a PIV enlistee named Christian Wurtemburg, a Swiss national, turned up dead — tortured and garroted. British journalist Paul Jenks began investigating Wurtemburg's death and was shot dead as well. (British journalist John Sweeney made a movie about the deaths in 1994 for Channel 4 called Dying for the Truth.)

"Many here firmly believe that Rozsa was responsible for these deaths," the Croatian journalist tells TIME

12:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Cuchi Cuchi is so adamant with maintaining Bolivia's territorial unity, I wonder if his band of monolito lovers will ever clamp down and riddle with bullets real proven domestic terrorists/separatist savages such as the "Ponchos Rojos," who want to create their own nation centered in Achacachi. Those cavemen don't play with air guns.

Oh, wait! Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's hate, envy, and bigotry are directed towards the Coolest Cats in the Collasuyo...the Croats. And the Jews, of course.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina.

7:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The difference between you and Cuchi is that all what you can do is call him Cuchi.

8:37 AM  
Anonymous Joshua said...

@ 7:59 AM

Are you Crotian?

10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, I am not, and I'm not aware of anyone else who is.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina.

10:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 7:59

Yay! You said "monolito lovers". You haven't said that for ages. Your standards are slipping. You said "Morales" earlier, too. And have you forgotten that the Israelis are the good guys? It's almost as if someone has edited your program slightly.

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does *Croat* means?

10:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:46, I don't think my standards are slipping. I just state the facts.

Fact #1: the president, who fancies himself as the "first Indian president," has the very Spanish last name of Morales. I've used it one time or another.

Fact #2: "Cuchi Cuchi" is the name of a hill that the prez venerates. Hence, "Cuchi Cuchi worshipper."

Fact #3: The Israelis ARE the good guys. Since they're not the center of my attention for the time being, I prefer to mention the Coolest Cats in the Collasuyo...the Croats.

Fact #4: "Monolito lovers." Well, that's a private affair involving Choquehuanca and other Morales subordinates. I'm not qualified to speak in detail about that, nor I ever want to be.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina.

11:51 AM  
Anonymous eric said...

Lets see where things stand after Mr. Obama reads the book. For now, the Empire continues to deny with such bullshit as:

"The United States, obviously, has a history in this region that's not always appreciated from the perspective of some"

Does the Barak, in contrast, appreciate the assassination of 30,000 Argentinians, of tens of thousands of Chileans, thousands of Bolivians, Haitians, Grenadans, Paraguayans, Brazilians and a long bloody etc. of South and Latin Americans at the hands of U.S supported dictators?

From what crazy-ass perspective can any warm blooded human being appreciate that? I expected Sean Hannity, FOX and the pundits to give you crap for shaking Hugo's hand, Mr. Obama, but I voted for you and I do not appreciate you glossing over the suffering of our people with such an idiotic phrase.

Does Mr. Obama appreciate that South American GDP grew more between 1960 and 1980, before the Washington Consensus and neoliberalism, than in the twenty five years after?

F#$% no we don't appreciate the Empires history Mr. Emperor, read the book and lets see where things stand.

On a less aggressive note, great report Mr. Schultz. Abajo los fascistas y terroristas, que viva Santa Cruz libertaria e igualitaria!

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is Beni?

1:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Calm down, eric. You're hyperventilating, which affects your thinking and grammar. (It must be your anguish and self hatred for being an Obama voter and citizen of the Empire)

To demonstrate you have a cerebrum larger than the size of a watermelon seed, first back up what you're spewing, particularly the amount of people killed under South American dictatorships (you sound like bowsie), that the US supported their assassinations, and that the South American GDP grew more between 1960 and 1980 (the commie years) versus the "neoliberal years." Be sure to include Bolivia's hyperinflation period from 1982-85 as the "commie years," ari?

Finally, you can't yearn for "libertarianism" and "equality." They don't mix. The first concept means freedom and laissez faire, while the second one means the opposite.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

PS The little pamphlet that Chavez gave da Bama (Open Veins bla bla) is one of the few other writings that I would equate to Cuchi Cuchi worshipper's toilet paper constitution.

2:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's disgusting that these fascist and raicst groups and individuals have the nerve to hijack guarani culture and words like Iyambae and use it as part of their propaganda and rhetoric. Yet these are the same people who oppress and deny many native guaranis their rights.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous eric said...

No, Pentagon psyops guy, actually I am and was very relaxed when posting. I'm also very proud of my dual citizenship between the Empire and Bolivia, as I still am of our first black and indigenous presidents and the opportunities for change that this presents across the hemisphere.

But thanks for asking, and I must ask, have you read las Venas Abiertas? or Memorias del Fuego? I doubt it, as I doubt you've read the NCPE, a copy of which I obtained as soon as possible and digested from beginning to end, in all its modernity and democratic progressivism, also with the minor nuances and details which present minor contradictions.

Furthermore, you apparently have not encountered any true libertarian thought, which much predates the foolish pro-market ideology of USamerican libertarianism or "anarchocapitalism" and is more related to human liberty on all fronts, social, economic and political, which is perfectly reconcilable with reasonable equality. Ha escuchado de la teologia de LIBERACION, ari? jisa?

Ahi esta, le compre su charque, I bit the bait. Now do your thing and come up with some more bullshit.

Beni is a Department in Bolivia
Ya que nos estamos tuteando, se atreve a dar su nombre?

3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought that the Mariscal Santa Cruz was the first mestizo president we had. Evo Morales is NOT an indigenous Bolivian, he's a mestizo. Obama is also a mulatto, not black.

3:45 PM  
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4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

► his reputation as an ideologue ◄

What does you exactly mean for « ideologue »?

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL

Am I the only who finds it hilarious that Jim has a rep in US academic circles as an "ideologue"

6:41 PM  
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9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As to this:

"*******I've been talking to many scholars who argue that while Jim's opinion does carry clout with the media, his reputation as an ideologue is well established in the academic community."

FYI to the young academic above. This kind of assertion without citation that seems just pathetic to me. What's next, "I have been talking to some scientists and hear that global warming is a hoax."

We'll be interested to survey your comprehensive survey data. And are you really using anonymous Blog posts as ANYTHING in an academic paper?

In my department (working on a masters) my professors would bounce me out for this kind of sloppiness. Some advice, do not share your comment above with any of the profs. in your department. And if you really want to continue in academia grow up.

9:24 PM  
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9:29 PM  
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9:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh great, just what we need, a new commenter who thinks we should turn the section into being about her, instead of discusing the issue in the post (U.S./Bolivia relations). Please quit clogging this with your whining.

11:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Allie, sorry you had to put up with some of the jerks on this blog. Please accept my apology on their behalf. Most are here to argue, not think.

11:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Irish times is reporting that they have confirmation that Michael Dwyer travelled to Bolivia with a former Hungarian soldier who lives in Ireland and who is part of the Zkler Legion, a group accused by Romanian authorities of being a paramilitary organization wanting the separation of an ethnic hungarian part of Romania.

He appears to be the link between Michael Dwyer and Flores (whom he knew)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0425/breaking17.htm

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The unnamed man in that article is Tibor Révész. His recruiting of foreigners with security/military experience to go to Bolivia with Flores has been well documented on the internet.

I believe it is still unclear, who paid the massive bill for all of this.

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very very interesting !

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's a bit puzzling and sad that all these facts that are coming up have been brought up and discovered by mostly regular folks who want to find the truth behind all this. At least half of what you're hearing in the media regarding what's happened is through regular folks who are getting to the bottom of this and forwarding many of the info to the authorities and the media.

The media however doesn't seem to be too concerned or in much of a hurry to get down to the bottom of all this. Both Morales' government and especially the anti Morales media (we all know who they are) are more interested on throwing each other under the bus.

I hope and expect arrests to come soon, based on evidence and not a witch hunt. Either way I expect many well known wealthy anti Morales elite to fly the coup sooner rather than later.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it appears Allie can self-edit, after all.

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eerily quiet these last few days. Did anyone see the video Morales released about the suspected terrorists, with Flores wishing he'd blown up Morales and the crew at the lake.

Now that the government has the troops on the border I suspect Nacion Camba and the boys will have to find a different traffic trail to smuggle their weapons, mercs, and escape themselves.

Anyone else notice Mr Marinkovic has been M.I.A lately.....hmmm

Jim where you at? We miss you.

9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thank you

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3:07 AM  
Blogger bowsie said...

To demonstrate you have a cerebrum larger than the size of a watermelon seed, first back up what you're spewing, particularly the amount of people killed under South American dictatorships (you sound like bowsie), that the US supported their assassinationsIf by "you sound like bowsie" = pointing out when people from your ideological perspective murder large numbers of people then yes. Specifically, our friend is speaking about a blog post where I stated that the death toll in Iraq was from a few hundred thousand to a million, linking to the several most internationally recognised civilian statistics.

In this case, our man is now trying to try his revisionist brush to wipe out the tens of thousands of South American civilians murdered under US backed, and in many cases (Pinochet for instance) US inspired regimes. Or was Plan Condor a figment of my imagination?

The Croats are Morales JewsFunny that quote, considering most of the Croat families that moved to Santa Cruz were complicit in the murder of over 50% of Croatia's Jewish population during World War II.

9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eduardo Rozsa Flores was a murderer. He got a much better death than the deaths he gave to journalists Christian Wurtenberg and Paul Jenks in Croatia.

He was a common animal, and got a better death than he deserved. Karma justice for having those two men killed. They were just journalists not killing machines like Flores and his goon squad in Croatia.

Watch the documentaries "dying for the truth" and the BBC docu "the dogs of war" Flores was a murderer and got what murderers deserve.

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it's happened for the upteenth time, but who's counting? I'm referring to that familiar buzz one hears while Cuchi Cuchi worshipper speaks. You know, flies. Flies are attracted to putrid smells of rotting material, which is the same whatever emanates from Morales' mouth.

Cuchi Cuchi worshipper, who recently claimed to be a communist/socialist/marxist-leninist (never mind the fact that Marx applauded colonization, Lenin was an imperialist of the first order, and Morales never even read the title of "Das Kapital"), recently admitted during an interview with an Argentinean that he ardently desired that the Bolivian soccer team lose against Argentina. His excuse was pragmatism: if Bolivia loses, then the "altitude question" about playing in La Paz would be gone. That's as if Hitler confessed to an American that he hoped the Allies killed as many civilians as possible in order to elicit worldwide sympathy and hope for a truce.

Now, if there is one thing that's absolutely, positively stupid to desire (especially if you're the president), is to want the national soccer team to lose. It's "everybody's team" and practically the only thing that unites all Bolivians. Worse, you don't want to root against it while playing Argentina. Argentineans are considered haughty and arrogant, and not only in soccer. Beating -- no, humiliating -- the Argentina team was nirvana for Bolivia and one of the few moments the country was happy and united.

What message does Cuchi Cuchi worshipper convey? How do the Bolivian soccer players who scored the goals feel? What about the motivation of the rest of the players to continue winning? What about the dismay of the soccer fans who still believe Bolivia can classify to the World Cup?

Few times Cuchi Cuchi worshipper has said anything so treacherous and stupid. That's why the buzzing is louder than ever. From flies. Lot of 'em.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

8:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, it's happened for the upteenth time, but who's counting? I'm referring to that familiar buzz one hears while Cuchi Cuchi worshipper speaks. You know, flies. Flies are attracted to putrid smells of rotting material, which is the same whatever emanates from Morales' mouth.

Cuchi Cuchi worshipper, who recently claimed to be a communist/socialist/marxist-leninist (never mind the fact that Marx applauded colonization, Lenin was an imperialist of the first order, and Morales never even read the title of "Das Kapital"), recently admitted during an interview with an Argentinean that he ardently desired that the Bolivian soccer team lose against Argentina. His excuse was pragmatism: if Bolivia loses, then the "altitude question" about playing in La Paz would be gone. That's as if Hitler confessed to an American that he hoped the Allies killed as many civilians as possible in order to elicit worldwide sympathy and hope for a truce.

Now, if there is one thing that's absolutely, positively stupid to desire (especially if you're the president), is to want the national soccer team to lose. It's "everybody's team" and practically the only thing that unites all Bolivians. Worse, you don't want to root against it while playing Argentina. Argentineans are considered haughty and arrogant, and not only in soccer. Beating -- no, humiliating -- the Argentina team was nirvana for Bolivia and one of the few moments the country was happy and united.

What message does Cuchi Cuchi worshipper convey? How do the Bolivian soccer players who scored the goals feel? What about the motivation of the rest of the players to continue winning? What about the dismay of the soccer fans who still believe Bolivia can classify to the World Cup?

Few times Cuchi Cuchi worshipper has said anything so treacherous and stupid. That's why the buzzing is louder than ever. From flies. Lot of 'em.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

9:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To « Cuchi Cuchi worshipper » worshipper

I agree with you that « Cuchi Cuchi worshipper » is an idiot. But it seems to me that for an idiot you are much too busy to follow all his gestures and words. Which makes me think that you are even more stupid and in fact, your mediocrity drives you to be a « Cuchi Cuchi worshipper » worshipper.

8:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The blog's Croat is either a Goni or tuto lover/worshipper. How can anyone explain his hatred to the first bolivian president who is changing Bolivia for the better, like no other bolivian has done it in its history?
The bolivian wanabe's, the ones who see their sacred cow being slowly but surely taken away from them to benefit the large poor massess; are now crying in newspapers, TV and blogs because they are hopeless.

Even their mercenaries have failed, the cheneys, rumbselfs, bushes are out, the population is mostly for Evo. and the great president that the US have right now, a very smart president like Obama will surely act accordingly to decenct foreign policy, which means the Gonis, Marinchovics, Doubads, Costas and other low order species will have to keep crying or move back to their original lands in the old continent.
They have stole enough from Bolivia to live like monarchs in Miami or Europe. Please Croats, nazis, and others just go home and leave bolivians live and have their own choices.

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, once again the BBs (bigoted bleaters) crawl out from under their little insignificant rocks to perform their GGs (grammatical genocide) against the CCCCs (Coolest Cats in the Collasuyo...the Croats).

I'm just spreading truth and love, baby! Don't hate the messenger.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Pedo Lazapedo said...

Eres tan burro que se te reconoce al tiro Nedito. El tiempo pasa y sigues en el mismo nivel? Se deduce que eres un fracasado.

Jejeje !! ;-)

3:49 PM  
Anonymous Pedo Lazapedo said...

Eres tan burro que se te reconoce al tiro Nedito.
Mas el tiempo pasa y mas limitado te vuelves.

;-)

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Pedo Lazapedo said...

Eres tan burro que se te reconoce al tiro Nedito.
Mas el tiempo pasa y mas limitado te vuelves.

;-)

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Mac said...

Hi guys !

3:57 PM  
Anonymous Pedo Lazapedo said...

Where is « Cuchi Cuchi worshipper » worshipper. Has he disappeared?

JAJAJAJAJAJAJA !!

4:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is so sad that day by day, people in Bolivia are still believing that somehow all these events are happening due to unknown circumstances, when everything is (not so well) planned out by his own people which if you know who they are, their history tells it all, starting with advisers and right handed so called "masistas" "ponchos rojos terroristas"... give me a break! It's a ticking clock!!!! just a ticking clock.....

2:15 AM  
Blogger Josh said...

I think Evo is the first Bolivian president that truly represents the Bolivian population and in this sense he represents the interests of his compatriots and his country.

aminosauren

1:23 AM  

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