Wednesday, April 21, 2010

Bolivia's People's Summit on Climate Change: Day Two

Update, Sunday April 25:

The Democracy Center team is still in recovery from the People's Summit on Climate Change that left town in a flourish on Thursday. In the Blog posts below you will find a wide variety of material on the summit, ranging from my Democracy Now interview, to video interviews with participants, to our analysis of the goings-on in Tiquipaya. We are now at work at a set of articles analyzing what happened at the summit and its implications for the climate justice movement.

Stay tuned for all that in the next few days.

Jim Shultz
The Democracy Center




A Presidential declaration about the threat to male potency posed by eating chicken. The challenges of all things large. A clandestine chicharia. Bolivian environmentalists strike out on their own to challenge the Morales government. And the continuing search for strategy. These are just a few of the topics we bring you on this, our second later than midnight report, on the Bolivian People's climate summit. First, some announcements:

See and Hear the Climate Summit!

Thanks to the filming and editing efforts of the truly amazing Aldo Orellana, we bring you the video above with the voices of some of the people attending the People's Summit, their hopes for the meeting and their thoughts about the crisis of climate change. And thanks to the audio efforts of our talented Jessica C. Aguirre and Aldo once again, we bring you a radio piece on the morning's event with President Morales and others in the Tiquipaya stadium, which can be found in this feature radio piece from the Democracy Center on Free Speech Radio News.

Join us for Three Democracy Center Workshops on Wednesday

Tomorrow, Wednesday at Noon the Democracy Center will present, for the first time, our new study on Bolivia and lithium. Four months in the making and based on extensive field research and more than fifty interviews, Rebecca Hollender and I will present the study at "Mesa 18", the forum of Bolivian environmentalists set up just outside the government-sponsored Summit. We'll post the full report soon here on the Blog, along with news about our public presentations coming up in Cochabamba and in the Salar de Uyuni, home to Bolivia's sought after lithium.

The Democracy Center is also hosting two other workshops on Wednesday afternoon. At 2:30 we'll be joining colleagues from Latin America to talk about the trade tribunal system and its threat to the environment, and at 4:30 we'll lead a workshop on effective strategies for taking on multinational corporations. Join us for either or both in the Univalle Sociology building, Univalle Room.

Now on to our reports!

Jim Shultz


Scenes from the Day
Jim Shultz

Here some bits and pieces from People's Summit, day two.

The Evo Show

This morning I could hear the booming voice of President Evo Morales projected across fields and farms from the Tiquipaya stadium all the way to my house, where I was busy drilling holes in a wall to hang curtains and ready a guest room for imminent visitors. Just as the town of Tiquipaya waited until Sunday to pave the streets leading to the Summit site, I waited until the last minute as well. I have become Bolivian

I evidently missed quite an Evo Show. As our friends at AP wrote it: "Morales told an environmental conference that chicken producers inject the birds with female hormones, 'and because of that, men who consume them have problems being men." He also suggested eating too much chicken for too long could make men go bald. Nevertheless the men of the Democracy Center took our chances by having solar cooked chicken for dinner. You have to give Evo credit for being entertaining.

Bolivian Environmentalists Show What Strategy Looks Like

Meanwhile, my Search for Strategy continued at today's conference, and I found some in a humble place, among the indigenous and campesino leaders who have decided to challenge Morales here on his own environmental record in Bolivia. Elizabeth Cooper reports below on their efforts at "Table 18".

Earlier this week, on the eve of this global summit, the communities of Potosi who live beside the contaminating San Cristobal mine decided to use this ripe moment to make their move to protest the environmental destruction from that large open pit. Blocking roads in and out of the zinc and silver mine, the communities are demanding action to stop the contamination of their local water supplies, among other issues. While the government has sought to focus blame on the Japanese owners, the Sumitomo Corporation, and previous governments, the mine protests highlight the ongoing weakness of government protection of the environment here.

To be certain, the Morales government deserves a lot of credit for being a global rallying point for deeper action on climate change. But like all Presidents, he has plenty of environmental issues to deal with in his own back yard.

If the thousands of climate activists here want to get a glimpse of what good strategy looks like, these Bolivian activists have shown its basic elements. First, they have a demand that is clear, specific and easy to understand. Second, they have picked an action that maximized their leverage in making that demand to their government. Mounting the protest on the even of Evo's summit is an echo of the move by U.S. civil rights activist fifty years ago when they launched the first "freedom rides" on the eve of the Kennedy-Khrushchev summit. It was smart strategy then and this is smart strategy now.

Strategy Rule # 15: Pressure a president when he is most in the public eye and wants to look his best. The government ought to exclude the groups from the summit and so they have set up shop in a cavernous hall a block away, and are drawing some of the biggest crowds of the meeting.

The Climate Dangers of Chicha

The town of Tiquipaya, where the People's Summit is being held, announced last week that it was imposing a no-alcohol ordinance for the duration of the meeting. This, we assume, is based on the silly belief that either climate activists are prone to getting sloppy drunk or that locals might and will embarrass the town. The ban, which includes locally produced chicha (the fermented corn that is a big part of local culture), prompted a visit over the weekend by my friend Valentina to the Tiquipaya Mayor.

Valentina, a local Bolivian, is an amazing artist (she painted the image that is the cover of our book, Dignity and Defiance) and also took first place last year in the wickedly competitive Tiquipaya Chicha Fair, with an organic brew that was super. According to Velentina, the Mayor justified the action by explaining that chicha contributes to global climate change. While I am not clear about the science on that either way, I am reasonably certain that it probably creates less climate change than the eight SUV, ten motorcycle motorcade that delivered Evo to the Hotel Regina here this afternoon, or the air traffic that brought thousands of people here from across oceans. But I am just guessing.

By the way, friends of mine, in a brazen and glorious act of civil disobedience, have set up a clandestine "chicharia" a block from the Summit. If you want to know where it is, call me.


“The Subterranean Mesa”
Elizabeth Cooper

“One thing that every government should know is that when you ban something, you make it more popular. We as writers all wish our books would be banned,” writer and climate activist Naomi Klein told the crowd sitting in the warehouse-style Brazilian restaurant a couple of blocks outside the campus of the official summit in Univalle. She was right.

Several movements across the country have come together to organize a space outside the official summit to discuss the issues of “Collective Rights and the Rights of Mother Earth,” and in so doing have made a powerful statement of the limitations the official discourse imposes on the spaces within the conference to address these topics.

The participants called the group “Mesa 18,” emphasizing that their conversations were external to those happening in the 17 working groups of the conference.

Here, participants lay bare some of the conflicts within the government that is now looked at by many as a global rallying point for (more) radical movements against climate change. One participant addressed the tension in the new government’s and the new constitution’s pro-indigenous rhetoric. “There are a series of contradictions here,” he said. “On one hand, the new laws recognize indigenous sovereignty in theory, but on the other, they are permitting capitalism to pervade our communities even more.”

Juan Carlos Guzman Salinas, of the organization CEDLA from La Paz, recounted what he saw as the failures of the Bolivian government to responsibly develop the country’s natural resources: “Beginning with nationalization, energy has become much more expensive and intensive in terms of environmental cost in relation to economic productivity. We can measure the robustness of our economy by how independent we are in our energy production, and have lost much of our independence in this respect. We export more energy than we did previously, but we also import more.” Nationalization of energy resources also impedes the development of clean energy, he argued. “Renewable energies will never be able to compete in this market while the price of combustible energy is fixed so low. Bolivia must reflect on these practices and correct them.”

“We need to recognize that these resources are not the state’s,” another member contributed. The resources belong to the people of the nation—that is what nationalization ought to imply.

An indigenous woman sitting next to me in the audience explained another shortfall of the supposed autonomy afforded by nationalization. “According to the constitution, we have the right to be consulted in the plans for development the corporations bring, but what we must have is the right to their administration itself, and the power to actually make the decisions. Right now, what happens is that the corporations arrive and they cheat us. They come and the first thing they do is offer some small improvement for our homes to gain popularity, but then once they gain approval for their plan, the way is wide open for them to do what they want.”

Just as the natural resources collectively belong to the people of the country, so too should the power to decide how they are developed. Some members of Mesa 18 saw the government as complicit in handing over this power to the corporations that exploit the communities and their sovereign resources.

“These favors that the companies bring when they arrive are generally carried out in cooperation with the prefects,” explained another presenter. “What we need is for the people to be empowered to monitor what is happening within and between their own communities.”

A Global Solution to a Global Crisis?
Jessica Camille Aguirre

The summit began in earnest today, as the narrow path running through the main campus became a jostling, elbow nudging gauntlet of vendors and hawkers.

As the number of participants more than doubled over night, the strain of logistics became apparent as people wandered around looking for events that weren’t where and when they should have been. Nevertheless, some of the milling led to some auspicious encounters – an Australian anti-mining couple strategized with an activist from South Korea, a major coal importing country. A young Cochabambina found herself sharing experiences with a delegation arrived from Alaska.

Lucky happenstance aside, it seemed that the conference has become alarmingly big very quickly. Size is a constant matter of discussion here, but the issue goes much deeper than mere logistical concerns.

As people continue arriving from all over the world – most being greeted with an hours long line to register – the largeness of the task ahead has begun to become more perceivable. And despite continuing conversations about the necessity of community-based solutions, many say that a challenge this big requires big solutions.

In a tightly packed panel this afternoon, Bolivian Vice-President Alvaro Garcia Linera demanded that if the movement to save the planet is to be successful, it must be a planet-wide movement. Jonathan Neale, of UK-based Campaign Against Climate Change, agrees: “We have to have a resistance. We have to have a resistance like the one they had in Greece, only bigger… We have to have it all over the place.”

But he goes on: “(A challenge is) for people to bring together the economic crisis and the environmental crisis – for the movements to understand that these must go together and that they must be solved together.”

The connection between un-sustainable economic models and the climate crisis resonates around the conference, with social leaders pointing to exploitation of transnational corporations as particular detrimental to the prospect of sustainability. Global capitalism, Frei Betto said this afternoon, is incompatible with harmony with nature.
So as conference attendees meet new friends and suffer occasional lines, the question of scale is addressed in multitudinous conversations. How can movements negotiate the act of going global? How can global organizations be held accountable?

Other Reports from the Summit

Climate Connections (Jeff Conant)

Cochabamba, the Water Wars and Climate Change (Amy Goodman, Truthdig)

The “People’s Climate Conference” in Bolivia Kicks Off with Ambitious Aims (Tina Gerhardt, Grist)

From Buenos Aires to Cochabamba (Joseph Huff-Hanon, The Guardian)

The Bolivian Transition Project (Karah Woodward)

59 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

god what a bunch of bullshit

6:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the aptly named Cochabamba Clown Summit, the president, highly renowned in genetics, pshychology, and dermatology research, declared that hormones in chicken causes homosexuality and baldness is a European sickness (tell that to Michael Jordan). Not only that, but he extols the nutritional value of chicha! Jim unflatteringly dismisses this attempt of the president to impress the physics and medicine Nobel committee as "entertaining." Shame on you, Jim!

In this world where "antiimperialists" like Choquehuanca talk about rock sex and Iranian clerics say that women promiscuity increases the amount of earthquakes, I'm sure glad we have a president who finally makes sense!

7:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I knew Evo would deliver some sort of stupidity, but I'm sure he is saving the best for the closing ceremony.

Jim, I hope you lithium report includes two facts: That is an extremely abundant element and that the Koreans are working on a way to filter it from the ocean, thus soon we can expect Bolivian reserves to be irrelevant.

Regarding St. Cristobal, long time forum readers know what is behind this. Evo/Quintana/Rada met with Soros in NYC and assured him that his mining concession would be untouched. We do not what Soros offered in exchange. Soros is now out of the business, and just now the MAS elite is saying that they will nationalize it. I hope they don't, pollution will only get worse under state management. Better to pass strict laws and force the "evil" japanese to abide by them.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now I'm hungry for Pollo Copacabana with a side of Pacena

8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EARTH DAY: SMILE, DON'T SHUDDER

Given all the talk of impending catastrophe, this may come as a surprise, but as we approach the 40th anniversary of the first Earth Day, people who care about the environment actually have a lot to celebrate. Of course, that's not how the organizers of Earth Day 2010 see it. In their view (to quote a recent online call to arms), "The world is in greater peril than ever." But consider this: In virtually every developed country, the air is more breathable and the water is more drinkable than it was in 1970. In most of the First World, deforestation has turned to reforestation. Moreover, the percentage of malnutrition has been reduced, and ever-more people have access to clean water and sanitation.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-21-column21_ST_N.htm

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, the chicken remark sounds quite clumsy, but was that really the only thing worth retaining from Evo's speech? Were there not any other points that he made that would have been worth highlighting?

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, the chicken remark sounds quite clumsy, but was that really the only thing worth retaining from Evo's speech? Were there not any other points that he made that would have been worth highlighting?"

I'm debating if it's either the Dutch potatoes that have fish hormones or the resourceful plumber using Coca Cola to untap a clogged toilet.

Who knew?

Not to be undone, the colorful Choquehuanca, he-of-the-sex-of-rocks wisdom, designated our level of importance in nature. First come butterflies, then ants, then stars, then mountains, and at the end of the totem pole, mankind.

11:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evo specifically said that eating chickens injected with feminine hormones is a cause of both baldness and homosexuality among European men (and premature breast development among young girls). Everyone in the audience and around the country here, including me, who saw and heard him as he made his remarks are clear on distinction between virility and homosexuality.

On a positive note, I agree with Evo wholeheartedly about eliminating the use of disposable products. Our landscapes and seas are becoming indistinguishable from trash cans. I anticipate that conference goers are being careful to avoid such materials... 20,000 people can consume and dispose of a lot of synthetic wares in three days.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to know Garcia Linera's reaction to Morales' remarks on homosexuality?

11:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I agree with Evo wholeheartedly about eliminating the use of disposable products."

I also agree with the concept, yet disagree with Evo's intense drive for intense drive for investing in drilling (drill, baby drill) in Madidi and creating factories that will create these very same plastics he opposes. We should also remember that as a cocalero Evo, personally oversaw the execution of at least one family who was trying to promote organic farming in the Chapare.

Hypocrite?

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, so you want to get rid of "disposable products?" (I thought all products were eventually disposable) Such as? What would you have in their place?

12:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is no wonder people like jim are for evo morales.

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Este tío no comerá transgénicos pero que se fuma trompetas de marihuana no transgénica también.

12:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

First backlash from Spanish gay group against Morales' homophobic statements.

http://www.eldiarioexterior.com/bolivia-confederacion-espanola-de-gays-24636_noticia.htm

2:47 PM  
Anonymous james said...

I wonder what sort of coward posts a comment saying 'God, what a lot of bullshit' as an anonymous poster.

Not very constructive is it?

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Michael Moretti said...

I never said that I thought eliminating disposables would necessarily be realistic, only agreeing that it's a worthwhile cause even if we can eliminate a piece of the pollution. And, I was trying to say something favorable about Evo which, in fact, is not terribly easy for me to do. My take is that MAS is using the indigenous here simply to establish a socialist system. I don't happen to believe socialism is good for Bolivia, although I'll be the first to admit that the neo-liberal governments of the past weren't too successful either. What this country needs, IMHO, is to educate its people. This will take several generations, but regretfully — and perhaps understandably — no one wants to wait.

The real solutions to humanity's perils are not the province of any particular creed, race or political system. You don't need to ride anyone's train to save the world: just raise your children the right way.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous James said...

What's with the negative comments ie. the 'Cochabamba Clown Summit'?
It's laughable that out of all the amazing things happening at this summit people are chosing to focus on one comment about a chicken.
Guess you've all been well trained by the corporate media. Capitalism good, socialism baaaad.
Shouldn't yous be on the FOX website anyway? Off yous go please.

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow James, so anyone who does not blindly agree with you is a fascist now? and no, it is just not about one comment, but a pattern of ignorance + hate that unfortunately has become Evo's trademark. My guess is that you are a casual follower.

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't find anything negative of the "Cochabamba Clown Summit." Making people laugh isn't negative.

7:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a stupid comment by Evo, the surprising thing is that I've been told he was reading the speech, not improvising as usual. Of course, the conference is about more than any one person's speech but really doesn't make sense to 1. piss of the LGBT community which is probably well represented in the world environmental movement 2. make pseudo-scientific ridiculous statements as the President and representative of all Bolivians 3. give clowns like our friends who commented previously an easy talking point to hang on to, instead of letting them make one up since they wouldn't have addressed any substancial points anyway.

On to this series of posts, great stuff Jim. 100% agree what is needed is strategy and organizing, the obvious step seems to me for the bonds formed and coalitions created to go back home and do some serious organizing. at the same time, a global Internet referendum should take place within a year, with each countrys representatives determining whether the best method to sign up is ID, passport, or the documents used in that country. this doesn-t have to be massive at first, it will grow with a new vote every six months and an efficient and unobjectionable management of the voters database. fully expect NSA hackers and other douches to try to take it down, cause if it reaches 1 billion can you say critical mass.... all the while organizing and educating in the background.

7:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real problems with the kind of comments that Evo gave about chickens being a cause of homosexuality (which he also called a "disease") are two:

1) They cheapen the other, reasonable comments or policy suggestions. Thus, they are distractions and a president should be better advised not to make them. That he is not suggests some problems within the organization at the PR level, if not more.

2) They betray a lack of reasonable knowledge or education on such subjects. Some may dismiss the comments as just "funny," but they also call into question the other "facts" presented by such a person. Trust is a delicate thing.

I'm not a fan of unbridled neoliberal capitalism. But if we can't make distinctions between leaders like Lula (who make reasonable claims, arguments, poilicies) and leaders like Evo (who have valid grievances but don't always make prudent choices or decisions) and leaders like Chavez (who are egomaniacal power-mongers who prey on people's very valid grievances) then we are in trouble. There should be a difference in Lula, Evo, and Chavez that people can appreciate. All three oppose neoliberalism, but I'd prefer Lula as my president.

7:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I couldn´t go to the Summit. I am half glad that i didn´t. But, i would like to know, for those of you who are actually in cochabamba, What if any ideas/strategies are being presented on Education???
All i hear is whistling, booing, and chicken remarks. It seems from here (Tarija) that this becoming a huge waste of jet fuel and pollution.
Anyone? Education? Anyone?
Robert

8:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We need to adapt. Take a look at this article The Great Transition: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21656220/The-Great-Transition-Navigating-Social-Economic-Ecological-Change-in-Turbulent-Times

11:28 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now that Morales has done some marketing for llama and sheep made apparel, I just can't to buy itch resistant llama boxers, maybe with a whipala on the posterior as yapa.

However, that won't stop me from eating gay inducing chicken and imperialist potatoes.

11:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now the Catholic priests who abused kids have an excuse. Too much chicken to eat!

12:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/business/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20100203000061

BOLIVIAS LITHIUM ISNT WORTH CRAP, THANKS EVO

12:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As usual the focus gets distorted. What are the issues and resolutions being discussed at the CCC? What is being discussed or what conclusions are they bringing to the table?
Who cares about the chicken or the chicha, or the homos or the heteros. Perhaps Table 18 is more intersting to be examined?
Today and this week we are celebrating 40 years of Earth Day and the silence is impressibe, the DC Mall has a few tents and the press is talking about Marcos, in the philiphines, or the tea party crassies.
I believe that humans are doomed to dissapear, God gave us brains to destroy but not to conserve the home where we live.

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The reason Evo's chickens are being mentioned is because vegetarian gays and bald fit athletes are being discriminated against. It also hurts the feelings of those chickens with hormones, which are feminine, by the way.

1:35 PM  
Anonymous james said...

It is unfortunate if I came across as lacking a sense of humour. People who take the piss out of deserving parties make me laugh eg Tina Fey mocking Sarah Palin, Bill Hicks expressing his dislike for Rush Limbaugh and of course Eddie Murphy Delirious.
What bothers me about the ‘humour’ of some of the posters here is this:
What I see happening is the corporate media ie Associated Press, deliberately marginalising an event by focusing on one stupid comment. Some people subconsciously recognise this signal that it is now OK to mock the subject, and the parroting begins… To me there’s nothing original or creative happening and I don’t find it funny at all.

This is precisely why I’ve stopped using mainstream media and why people like myself come to independent websites to get what we perceive as the truth.

It annoys me when people who don’t think for themselves come to the stories on these websites and feel like they have to make a snide comment. Why bother? I ruins it for those of us who are actually interested in discussing what’s happening.

For instance, the Columbian in the video summary who spoke about cars choking the life out of cities. I personally couldn’t agree more.
I rode my bike to the supermarket last night and, believe me, I was in fear for my life a multiple occasions. The problem is the pedestrians don’t want us, nor do the cars. Cyclists are the most hated of all people, no question!
So next time you’re cursing a cyclist for getting in the way please realise they’ve probably just made a life and death decision and are glad to have survived!
Now I want you to picture your local town centre without cars. Idyllic isn’t it?

2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What goes around comes around, james. Whenever somebody on the right or center says something half as stupid as what Morales did, he/she is laughed at, excoriated, and demonized for years and years. Especially by the "corporate media."

What makes the left so special that they aren't to be held to the same standard? Grow a pair and get a sense of humor! Morales said not one stupid thing in his infamous speech, but many stupid things. Nor is it his first time. So, nobody is "parroting" anything.

Speaking about birds, it reminds me about Evo's chicken statement. Did he also refer to women? I mean, if a straight woman eats chicken, will she become a lesbian? Or a bald lesbian?

3:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't blame the media, blame Evo for being Evo. The media did not trick Evo into saying what he said, nor is the media taking out of context what he said. The media is also not "deliberately marginalising" the event. It was Evo who decided that the summit was about him, his political view points, and not about the issues. I was hoping that perhaps Bolivia could contribute something, but unfortunately my worse fears came to pass when Evo decided to make it all about him and his hate for all things "western"

I think the biggest lesson that we can take from this "People's Summit" is to do precisely what the people in Table 18 did, make it about the issues and people, and keep the politicians out. I think they are the biggest winners.

On the other hand, the biggest losers were probably Bolivia and the people who placed their bets with Evo. Evo managed to make sure that neither can be taken seriously by the rest of the world.

3:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen, jilata!

6:50 PM  
Anonymous Joe camacho said...

Here is the evidence supporting President Morales' claim. Poultry administered estrogen has its testes shrink, combs reduced in size, rooster's stop crowing & having sex with hens. Instead they act like hens, assuming the hen's position in sex. See page six:

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=wy0rAAAAYAAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA5&dq=estrogen+side+effects+chicken+beef&ots=T6E71U1DGY&sig=mzXrQXdkXyK5GJXhQnJASJb4NBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jose,

Why do you waste your time trying to justify ignorance? Injecting hormones has been banned for years and the link is a completely unrelated study from the 1950s to what Evo said. It is one thing to inject a chicken with hormones, it is another thing to eat the meat of the chicken, and then implying that your diet affects you sexual orientation. Besides, I would be willing to bet that Evo did not review any of the scientific literature on the subject, he simply wanted to say something to call attention to himself.

7:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't seen a bald gay chicken yet. Morales should have showed one as proof to his hypothesis.

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Too much fuzz about a bad comment made by Evo Morales, all of you that write against him I assume are proCivicos_Paras_Neos. I don't know , But I have heard many ..other prime ministers or presidents around the world
I am not going to include Bush on the list .. because it will be unfair..but name one and we will get something on You tube so you can compare.
Let's go back to the core objectives of the summit..and make active constructive comments

8:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mandela/Gandhi/MLK? and yes, it is not just one bad comment, but a pattern of lies, accusations, and other pure insanity.

Constructive comment: keep Evo and other clowns like him out of these summits.

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Andean Nostradamus predicted that all humans would become bald in 50 years and that barbers would lose their jobs. Sounds like a boon for wig makers to me.

I'm still wondering if those Dutch potatoes injected with fish hormones that Morales talked about have grown fins and gils yet.

7:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ricky Martin sure must have gulped down tons of chicken!

7:57 AM  
Anonymous Joe Camacho said...

To the Evo-hater that hides behind anonymity to hide facts as they misinform us:

I don't seek to justify ignorance. I tested a hypothesis to inform the ignorant: you.

The fact that use of hormones has been illegal in U.S. poultry production since 1952, according to USDA regulations is irrelevant because those regulations do not govern Bolivian poultry production. Thus your counterargument is irrelevant to our discussion.

It is a fact that Bolivian chicken breeders-in Coroico, at a minimum-feed estrogen to their chickens. Thus large amounts of estrogen are in the Bolivian food chain. The breeders do so because of the accelerated rate at which chickens gain weight. (Yet, those breeders refuse to eat the chickens they raise.)

It is a fact that the research within the article (which is specific to poultry & estrogen) is on point & relevant to President Morales' hypothesis. The article establishes that the size of the testes & combs diminish in roosters. Further, they deviate from their male role by not engaging in sex with the hens & by adopting submissive hen-like positions when approached by other roosters. Thus if a rooster's comb disappears & it acts like a hen when next to a rooster, is it not a like becoming bald & gay?

Be that as it may, please do not let the above-discussion stop you from your next estrogen dose in Tijuana. Your gender orientation & how you intake estrogen is your business. :-)

4:37 PM  
Anonymous james said...

The fact is that evo morales makes the most sense of any president i know.
He was a breath of fresh air at copenhagen. I urge you to watch him on democracy now. He said capitilism is killing the world. True. Constantly 'bettering' yourself by consuming more is always at the epense of others. Also true. Did he think a meanwhile treaty would be achieved? No chance, and he was dead on there.
Obama on the other hand lead the so-called important nations into secret talks while ecluding all others, then staged a victorious announcement to try to cover the fact that preciously nothing had been achieved.
I know who I'd trust...
The anonymouses moan about his "big problem with the west". I say, that is because the west is a big problem! Evo speaks from an indigenous culture that is able to live sustainably with nature. We could learn a lot from him and his people.
As for the chicken and the spud, well I'll be eating organic and GMO free just in case he's right!

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are your people for real? Honestly thinking that evo is ingegenous and knows how to live sustainably is such BULLSHIT. Evo isnt ingegenous and he has no idea what it is to live laike a true inegenous person like the yuracares and other Bolivian tribes. He even protects the coca producers that invaded indegenous territory. I,d like the name of one farm or farmer in coroico that uses hormones?? I bet no one can give any names. Mean while I invite people to ADA Asosciacion de Avicultores in Cbba and Scz and they can arrange any visit or explain that hormones ar TOO EXPENSIVE for Bolivian farmers. All you american hippies and comunists need to realize that with out factory farms or at least intensive breeding and agriculture there wouldnt be any food at accesible prices all over the world. Why dont you go snoop around the chicken feed factories in cbba and find out if they use hormones? (Ciarave, Imba, Albaco, etc.) Why dont you go and ask veterquimica, Caviard, Agroservet, and other feed additive distributores how much hormones for chickens cost? STOP THE BULL SHIT!!!!!!! People who dont even live in this country and dont see the reality of how people from Chapare, Vinto, Sacaba are buying Land Cruiser, Lincoln Navigatrs and one year ago all they had was a 1 hectare potato farm. Go to Cobija for a month and youll se at least 2 crime scenes from Narco-paybacks. Ask any american car retailer in cochabamba who their best clients are and theyll always say People from chapare who pay for 30,000 dollar cars in CASH. Stop being so naive. Just because jim is too much of a kiss ass or to afraid of really exposing the truth. Just go to funde empresa and see who the stock holders of the company that owns 40 hectares in tiquipaya are, and the company by coincidence is getting all the road contracts from vias Bolivia. The VP's sister and the owner of toyota who sold the Govt 30 miliion dolars in vehicles last year and will sell a couple of million more this year. I dont defend past corruption Manfred, Banzer, Paz Zamora should all be in jail or have their estates freezed untill they can prove that all the money is clean, but this new govt is the same or wosrt.

10:06 AM  
Anonymous Michael Moretti said...

In all fairness to the other readers, Mr. Camacho, Evo specifically referred to European male populations which like the US have banned such practices for decades. Regardless, the size of one's testes, whether or not one has hair or their favorite sexual position, is absolutely unrelated to one's sexuality. It's like calling a woman with facial hair a lesbian. Your argument is either disingenuous, or you simply don't get the complexities of human (or avian) sexuality.

I think the point that critics in this thread are making (although not necessarily all of them) is that Evo is overstepping (once again) his area(s) of authority. His off-the-wall remarks are relevant in that he and his political circle have taken great pains to represent him as the spiritual leader of the indigenous world vis-á-vis global warming and capitalism, a capacity for which his words belie.

I have to agree with the critics -- there are many internal problems here unrelated to global warning (though perhaps are related to past neo-liberal policies) that merit more attention from this country's president. After all, that's the service to which he has been elected twice, not that of an ecological messiah. Inviting all 10 million of his compatriots following the conference to plant (and care for) a tree sounded eerily like "let them eat cake."

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So this is what a global laughingstock is supposed to look like. Thanks, Evo!

If eating chicken with female hormones makes one gay and bald, does that mean eating chicken with male hormones will make bald gays straight and have a full head of hair?

This is just too funny.

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Joe Camacho said...

Michael mistates the facts & misleads us by his deeply flawed reasoning. Michael would have us conclude that a disengaged Marie Antoinette's statement "let them eat cake" is the same as Evo's rational proposed action step of planting more trees that would cleanse the environment's air by providing oxygen to Bolivians.

Cake-a bad thing-is a refined carbohydrate that is laden with sugar & is not a substantive source of nutrition. Whereas planting a tree-a good thing-would provide oxygen & purify the carbon dioxide.

6:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about self proclaimed environmental Messiahs traveling around the world in carbon spewing chartered planes and SUVs? How many trees is that worth?

6:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evo is just too funny...his ignorance is appaling.

10:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently Grindio aka Joe Camacho does not understand what the term "let them eat cake" means in the context of a political discussion. He can barely understand the studies he proposes in defense of the Evo's ignorance. What else can we say? The MAS loyalists use ignorance to defend more ignorance.

As for the broader argument regarding organic vs frankenfood vs fertilizers/hormones. Frankenfoods are good, not a single incident of adverse effects in the relevant literature ( the more diligent in you can see the EU reports on GMOs ). Their positives are actually surprising because they require less fertilizers and less pesticides, which makes them infinitely superior to traditional farming. Fertilizers/Hormones are bad, very bad to the point that little by little these banned. Fertilizers can be endemic, meaning that they won't degrade. Hormones are bad in that they 'torture' the animals, but are not endemic, and do not accumulate in humans nearly as badly as Evo would like you to believe: that is no adult eating chicken will see their gonads affected. Organic farming is probably the best alternative, but by definition, it is not scalable and extremely sensitive to pests, droughts, etc. Also organic farming has Evo as its biggest enemy in Bolivia, having killed pioneers of it in the Chapare (the andrade family) and prohibit this type of farming in there in favor of "traditional coca cultivation." Evo is also betting the "farm" on hidrocarbon based fertilizers and pesticides...so you be the judge.


On a side note: Anyone find it somewhat suspicious that while all this circus was taking place. The Ministry of Economy quietly announced that it was seeking to issue debt in foreign markets for about US$37 Billion to finance Evo's government? Funny, isn't? Neoliberals managed to get out foreign debt to almost 0, Evo boats of budget surpluses and amply foreign reserves....yet he is also planning the biggest issue of foreign debt in the history of the country. The only question is, what Swiss bank wil the Masistas use to hide all the money that they are stealing???

10:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Apparently Grindio aka Joe Camacho does not understand what the term "let them eat cake" means in the context of a political discussion. He can barely understand the studies he proposes in defense of the Evo's ignorance. What else can we say? The MAS loyalists use ignorance to defend more ignorance.

As for the broader argument regarding organic vs frankenfood vs fertilizers/hormones. Frankenfoods are good, not a single incident of adverse effects in the relevant literature ( the more diligent in you can see the EU reports on GMOs ). Their positives are actually surprising because they require less fertilizers and less pesticides, which makes them infinitely superior to traditional farming. Fertilizers/Hormones are bad, very bad to the point that little by little these banned. Fertilizers can be endemic, meaning that they won't degrade. Hormones are bad in that they 'torture' the animals, but are not endemic, and do not accumulate in humans nearly as badly as Evo would like you to believe: that is no adult eating chicken will see their gonads affected. Organic farming is probably the best alternative, but by definition, it is not scalable and extremely sensitive to pests, droughts, etc. Also organic farming has Evo as its biggest enemy in Bolivia, having killed pioneers of it in the Chapare (the andrade family) and prohibit this type of farming in there in favor of "traditional coca cultivation." Evo is also betting the "farm" on hidrocarbon based fertilizers and pesticides...so you be the judge.


On a side note: Anyone find it somewhat suspicious that while all this circus was taking place. The Ministry of Economy quietly announced that it was seeking to issue debt in foreign markets for about US$37 Billion to finance Evo's government? Funny, isn't? Neoliberals managed to get out foreign debt to almost 0, Evo boats of budget surpluses and amply foreign reserves....yet he is also planning the biggest issue of foreign debt in the history of the country. The only question is, what Swiss bank will the Masistas use to hide all the money that they are stealing???

10:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sure many people are breathing a sigh of relief that instead of referring to this gaucho caviar summit in Tiquipaya as the painfully long "World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth," it will be known henceforth as the "Bald Gay Chicken Summit."

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

meant to say persistant, not endemic..

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Earth Day 1970 predictions:

We have about five more years at the outside to do something.”
• Kenneth Watt, ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human habitation.”
• Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist

“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.”
• New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.”
• Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….”
• Life Magazine, January 1970

“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist



Stanford's Paul Ehrlich announces that the sky is falling.
“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.”
• Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”
• Sen. Gaylord Nelson

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”
• Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

9:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

On a side note: Anyone find it somewhat suspicious that while all this circus was taking place. The Ministry of Economy quietly announced that it was seeking to issue debt in foreign markets for about US$37 Billion to finance Evo's government? Funny, isn't? Neoliberals managed to get out foreign debt to almost 0, Evo boats of budget surpluses and amply foreign reserves....yet he is also planning the biggest issue of foreign debt in the history of the country. The only question is, what Swiss bank wil the Masistas use to hide all the money that they are stealing???

10:48 AM

where did you get this information from? could you give references...
thanks

11:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evo's chicken/gay/bad combo makes him a laughingstock in Spain.

http://www.eluniversal.com/2010/04/22/int_ava_palabras-de-evo-mora_22A3781451.shtml

Even Peru's Bayly, who is gay, jokingly teases Evo for not warning him to stop eating chicken as a kid.

http://peruahora.perublog.net/2010/04/26/jaime-bayly-se-burla-de-evo-morales

Making fun of Evo's gay chicken comment on Twitter.

http://peru21.pe/noticia/465659/twitter-se-burlan-evo-morales

This gets better and better.

3:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-22/bolivia-plans-first-bond-sale-in-70-years-arce-says-update1-.html

5:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bolivians know nothing about this bond sale...it is not in the news...
Evo is a thief, no question about it... an ignorant thief...

9:42 PM  
Anonymous Bolivia Libre said...

What a joke, the Evo Circus ended 5 days ago and the DC is still "recovering"; I guess the event was a punch in the "nuts" for Jim and his maSSist lovers.

10:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm so sick of you people putting your faith in political movements and or socialism that only cares about more and more extraction of natural resources such as oil and gas in the name of spirtuality, pachamama, cristo the revolutionary or whatever. It's such bullshit such bullshit.

Now we have the biggest oil spill in the world off the coast of Louisiana. Why, because countries like Bolivia and Venezuela supply oil. Thank you Pachamama.

Hypocrite people that can even wipe their own ass and realize that they are just as much part of the problem when you fly from Thailand, Mexico, Bolivia to film or do your environmental activism and place the blame on other people.

6:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

www.vortexcoca.com

COCA COLLA WHAT A CROC OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

these dumbasses think they invented something new and it was already done in peru years ago.

2:33 PM  

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